{"id":9055,"date":"2007-03-19T20:31:31","date_gmt":"2007-03-20T01:31:31","guid":{"rendered":"https:\/\/www.lavistachurchofchrist.org\/cms\/?p=9055"},"modified":"2019-09-05T20:43:39","modified_gmt":"2019-09-06T01:43:39","slug":"didnt-god-tell-someone-to-lie-in-i-kings-22","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/www.lavistachurchofchrist.org\/cms\/didnt-god-tell-someone-to-lie-in-i-kings-22\/","title":{"rendered":"Didn&#8217;t God tell someone to lie in I Kings 22?"},"content":{"rendered":"\n\t<h2>Question:<\/h2>\n<p><a href=\"https:\/\/www.lavistachurchofchrist.org\/cms\/if-god-told-satan-to-lie-then-isnt-it-ok-for-us-to-lie\/\">I appreciate your response<\/a>. For me, I Kings 22:22 is abundantly clear. I found it among a few other examples, most of which were less conclusive. For example, where God sent strong delusion, which isn&#8217;t specifically a lie. A tangential issue is where God repented for installing a certain king. Some would say that it indicates that God had performed imperfectly, perhaps others would say that, no he just felt bad about it. That one is at least curious to me. A God who is all-knowing, everywhere present, all-powerful, existing across all of time and space concurrently and therefore from our limited view can be said to know all actions ahead of time and fully wise, etc. might perhaps know ahead of time the results of his actions, decide that since He is perfect He doesn&#8217;t want to either fall below such a high standard, or at least not seeming purposely behave in a way as to make Himself feel bad thus leaving no need to repent, regardless of the original Hebrew nuances of meaning, context, and so on.<\/p>\n<p>You may be amused to know that I only recently understood that God is not responsible to answer to me regarding anything. Until not long ago, I might have said, &#8220;I am not a clay vessel. God needs to explain to me why the Bible has so many clear flaws such as contradictions, inconsistencies, and historical inaccuracies, and other ways in which it is confusing or areas where it is unable to stand to reason.&#8221; My view on that now, surely somewhat different than your own I would guess, is this. God created everything, as such, in layman&#8217;s terms, it is His game as it were. He calls the shots with no need to explain anything to me every. He makes the rules both for us and for Himself. He can lie, be jealous, provide infinite punishment for finite offenses (call that true fair justice or He could call it Jello Pudding if He chose) be malevolent, He can hate Esau while adjuring us to love our neighbor and pray for those that despitefully use us. He could include a measure of love, joy, peace, gentleness, meekness, kindness, longsuffering, faith, hope, and charity as well, and so on. I question the inherent confusion in most of that. Yet with God <b>all <\/b>things are possible. It looks like E all of the above. I question Him, He has no need to respond. Not only is he at an infinitely higher level of conceptualization than I am where lies become OK, But He also created all and defines all. Being all-powerful and all-knowing still finds the need to demonstrate the folly of the &#8220;wise&#8221; or at least use the foolish things to confound the wise. To me, that is akin to Casperof beating a white lab rat at chess. Seemingly God takes time to glory in the fact that a particle physicist can&#8217;t even measure the velocity and position of an electron simultaneously. Petty perhaps, but it makes no difference really, I, of course, am not the one calling the shots. Even so, my brain has no off switch.<\/p>\n<p>Hopefully, it will all come out good in the end.<\/p>\n\t<h2>Answer:<\/h2>\n<p>It appears to me that the problem isn&#8217;t with God or His nature but in your assumptions about God. You seem to be willing to take God as he is, but you still determine His nature by your own thoughts about God. For example, where, in the Bible, does God say He exists across all time? Is your concept of God based on an assumption or an actual statement?<\/p>\n<p>The difficulty is that we are finite beings living in a physical world, yet trying to grasp the being who created the world and us as well. In order to aid our understanding, we apply things we understand and place it on God and say &#8220;this must be what God is like.&#8221; But it is backward. &#8220;<i>For what man knows the things of a man except the spirit of the man which is in him? Even so no one knows the things of God except the Spirit of God. Now we have received, not the spirit of the world, but the Spirit who is from God, that we might know the things that have been freely given to us by God<\/i>&#8221; (I Corinthians 2:11). The only way to understand God is to accept the things He chose to tell us &#8212; that is, by reading and accepting His word.<\/p>\n<p>I wrote a series of lessons about God for some teenagers. Have you looked through it? Not that I&#8217;m pushing my work, but I addressed many of your points in it, including I Kings 22. Do I know everything about God &#8212; not hardly &#8212; the very nature of the problem is an impossibility, but you and I can accept what God told us. Take a look at <a href=\"https:\/\/www.lavistachurchofchrist.org\/cms\/bible-studies\/the-lord-your-god-is-an-awesome-god\/\"><i>The Lord Your God is an Awesome God!<\/i><\/a>, and especially the lessons &#8220;<a href=\"https:\/\/www.lavistachurchofchrist.org\/cms\/bible-studies\/the-lord-your-god-is-an-awesome-god\/god-cannot-lie\/\">God Cannot Lie<\/a>.&#8221; This way I won&#8217;t have to repeat what was already said and we can focus on what you are trying to understand.<\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>Question: I appreciate your response. For me, I Kings 22:22 is abundantly clear. I found it among a few other examples, most of which were less conclusive. For example, where God sent strong delusion, which isn&#8217;t specifically a lie. A tangential issue is where God repented for installing a certain king. Some would say that&hellip;<\/p>\n","protected":false},"author":1,"featured_media":0,"comment_status":"closed","ping_status":"closed","sticky":false,"template":"","format":"standard","meta":{"advanced_seo_description":"","jetpack_seo_html_title":"","jetpack_seo_noindex":false,"jetpack_seo_schema_type":"","footnotes":"","jetpack_post_was_ever_published":false},"categories":[20],"tags":[915,392],"class_list":["post-9055","post","type-post","status-publish","format-standard","hentry","category-answer","tag-i-kings","tag-lying"],"jetpack_featured_media_url":"","jetpack_sharing_enabled":true,"jetpack_likes_enabled":true,"jetpack-related-posts":[{"id":54196,"url":"https:\/\/www.lavistachurchofchrist.org\/cms\/nameless\/","url_meta":{"origin":9055,"position":0},"title":"Nameless","author":"Jeffrey Hamilton","date":"September 23, 2018","format":false,"excerpt":"by Jeffrey W. Hamilton Text: I Kings 13:1-10 \u00a0 I.\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0This is a story about two men, who remain nameless. One young and another old. \u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0A.\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0Both are prophets. One is a good man and the other is a liar. \u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0B.\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0One was selected to carry a message and the other was not.\u2026","rel":"","context":"In &quot;Audio&quot;","block_context":{"text":"Audio","link":"https:\/\/www.lavistachurchofchrist.org\/cms\/category\/audio\/"},"img":{"alt_text":"","src":"","width":0,"height":0},"classes":[]},{"id":38986,"url":"https:\/\/www.lavistachurchofchrist.org\/cms\/fired-up-but-only-half-baked\/","url_meta":{"origin":9055,"position":1},"title":"Fired Up, But Only Half-Baked","author":"Jeffrey Hamilton","date":"May 26, 2013","format":false,"excerpt":"by Jeffrey W. Hamilton Text: Hosea 7:1-10 \u00a0 I.\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0We admire those driven by a passion for the things that they do. \u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0A.\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0Radio and TV shows that feature people passionately defending their views are popular. \u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0B.\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0In religion as well, people are drawn to groups that display rich emotions. \u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0C.\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0Passion is wonderful\u2026","rel":"","context":"In &quot;Audio&quot;","block_context":{"text":"Audio","link":"https:\/\/www.lavistachurchofchrist.org\/cms\/category\/audio\/"},"img":{"alt_text":"","src":"","width":0,"height":0},"classes":[]},{"id":67217,"url":"https:\/\/www.lavistachurchofchrist.org\/cms\/is-god-responsible-for-ahab-doing-wrong\/","url_meta":{"origin":9055,"position":2},"title":"Is God Responsible for Ahab Doing Wrong?","author":"Jeffrey Hamilton","date":"March 27, 2024","format":false,"excerpt":"by Tommy Peeler Is God responsible for Ahab doing the wrong thing? Ahab is ready to go to war without inquiring of God (I Kings 22:4-5). When 400 prophets tell him that he will take Ramoth-Gilead, Ahab is content, but Jehoshaphat wants to inquire of a prophet of the LORD\u2026","rel":"","context":"In &quot;Article&quot;","block_context":{"text":"Article","link":"https:\/\/www.lavistachurchofchrist.org\/cms\/category\/article\/"},"img":{"alt_text":"","src":"","width":0,"height":0},"classes":[]},{"id":9043,"url":"https:\/\/www.lavistachurchofchrist.org\/cms\/if-god-told-satan-to-lie-then-isnt-it-ok-for-us-to-lie\/","url_meta":{"origin":9055,"position":3},"title":"If God told Satan to lie, then isn&#8217;t it OK for us to lie?","author":"Jeffrey Hamilton","date":"March 18, 2007","format":false,"excerpt":"Question: If the Old Testament, even once, shows us that God told Satan to lie to a woman, would that be OK? If not, better read that book more closely. I'll bet that it shows that very clearly. Once, that should be OK, let's consider the original language, let's dance\u2026","rel":"","context":"In &quot;Answer&quot;","block_context":{"text":"Answer","link":"https:\/\/www.lavistachurchofchrist.org\/cms\/category\/answer\/"},"img":{"alt_text":"","src":"","width":0,"height":0},"classes":[]},{"id":40130,"url":"https:\/\/www.lavistachurchofchrist.org\/cms\/god-cannot-lie\/","url_meta":{"origin":9055,"position":4},"title":"God Cannot Lie","author":"Jeffrey Hamilton","date":"September 8, 2013","format":false,"excerpt":"by Jeffrey W. Hamilton Text: I Kings 22:1-28 \u00a0 I.\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0Heathen men molded their concept of their gods into their own image - Romans 1:22-23 \u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0A.\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0We can read stories of the Greek gods and in their interaction with men they often lied and cheated to accomplish their goals. \u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a01.\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0The Greeks saw\u2026","rel":"","context":"In &quot;Audio&quot;","block_context":{"text":"Audio","link":"https:\/\/www.lavistachurchofchrist.org\/cms\/category\/audio\/"},"img":{"alt_text":"","src":"","width":0,"height":0},"classes":[]},{"id":38147,"url":"https:\/\/www.lavistachurchofchrist.org\/cms\/because-of-the-sins-of-jeroboam\/","url_meta":{"origin":9055,"position":5},"title":"Because of the Sins of Jeroboam","author":"Jeffrey Hamilton","date":"September 26, 2021","format":false,"excerpt":"by Jeffrey W. Hamilton Text: Matthew 5:13-16 \u00a0 I.\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0Few credit the influence we have on the lives of those around us. \u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0A.\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0The things we do and say impact the lives of those we come in contact. \u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0B.\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0Sometimes our influence spreads to people we may not have seen. 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