{"id":53718,"date":"2018-07-21T20:55:00","date_gmt":"2018-07-22T01:55:00","guid":{"rendered":"https:\/\/www.lavistachurchofchrist.org\/cms\/?p=53718"},"modified":"2022-10-01T09:57:41","modified_gmt":"2022-10-01T14:57:41","slug":"if-you-call-joseph-smith-a-liar-then-you-are-calling-the-prophets-of-the-bible-liars-too","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/www.lavistachurchofchrist.org\/cms\/if-you-call-joseph-smith-a-liar-then-you-are-calling-the-prophets-of-the-bible-liars-too\/","title":{"rendered":"If you call Joseph Smith a liar, then you are calling the prophets of the Bible liars too"},"content":{"rendered":"\n<h2>Question:<\/h2>\n<p>Sir,<\/p>\n<p>I must protest your accusation that Joseph Smith was a liar. You have oversimplified the meaning of those passages of the Book of Mormon and others. Can you not see that during every conversation, the perspective of meaning changes? If you call Joseph Smith a liar, do you not also call several prophets and apostles of the Bible liars as well? The same types of discrepancies you view in the Mormon libraries exist the same way in the Bible itself.<\/p>\n<p>I implore you to reconsider your view of these writings. Either you accuse the Bible along with the Book of Mormon, or there is another reason.<\/p>\n<p>Perspective?<\/p>\n\t<h2>Answer:<\/h2>\n<p>I have several sermon outlines and articles exposing the many fallacies of the Mormon religion. I&#8217;m not certain which one you are referring to. While it is easy to conclude that Joseph Smith lied from the evidence presented, there is no direct statement that Joseph Smith was a liar. Since you mentioned the quotes from the Book of Mormon, I narrowed it down to:<\/p>\n<ul>\n<li><a href=\"https:\/\/www.lavistachurchofchrist.org\/cms\/a-brief-history-of-mormonism\/\">A Brief History of Mormonism<\/a><\/li>\n<li><a href=\"https:\/\/www.lavistachurchofchrist.org\/cms\/testing-mormonism\/\">Testing Mormonism<\/a><\/li>\n<li><a href=\"https:\/\/www.lavistachurchofchrist.org\/cms\/contradictions-in-mormon-documents\/\">Contradictions in Mormon Documents<\/a><\/li>\n<li><a href=\"https:\/\/www.lavistachurchofchrist.org\/cms\/he-didnt-write-it\/\">He Didn&#8217;t Write It<\/a><\/li>\n<\/ul>\n<p>The idea that the writings of Joseph Smith and his followers are somehow equivalent to the inspired writings of the Bible is humorous. Yes, I can point out the flaws in Mormonism without impugning the reputation of the Bible because they are not the same. The Bible is proven to be from God. The writings of Joseph Smith contain sufficient evidence that they are&nbsp;<em><strong>not<\/strong><\/em>&nbsp;from God.<\/p>\n<p>It is common for people to claim &#8220;you don&#8217;t understand&#8221; when flaws are pointed out. But notice that you do&nbsp;<strong>nothing<\/strong> to clarify your point. I am left to conclude that this is because if you examined the evidence, you would open yourself up to doubts, so you choose to use vague disagreements that don&#8217;t require formulating thoughtful arguments.<\/p>\n<p>You also imply that I took words out of context, but in most of my quotes I took time to include enough of the context so that the original meaning could be determined. Yet, once again, you did not prove your point of a statement taken out of context. An accusation does not establish your point.<\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>Question: Sir, I must protest your accusation that Joseph Smith was a liar. You have oversimplified the meaning of those passages of the Book of Mormon and others. Can you not see that during every conversation, the perspective of meaning changes? If you call Joseph Smith a liar, do you not also call several prophets&hellip;<\/p>\n","protected":false},"author":1,"featured_media":0,"comment_status":"closed","ping_status":"closed","sticky":false,"template":"","format":"standard","meta":{"advanced_seo_description":"","jetpack_seo_html_title":"","jetpack_seo_noindex":false,"jetpack_post_was_ever_published":false,"footnotes":""},"categories":[20],"tags":[1560,687],"class_list":["post-53718","post","type-post","status-publish","format-standard","hentry","category-answer","tag-false-prophets","tag-mormons"],"jetpack_featured_media_url":"","jetpack_sharing_enabled":true,"jetpack_likes_enabled":true,"jetpack-related-posts":[{"id":58179,"url":"https:\/\/www.lavistachurchofchrist.org\/cms\/mormonism-and-the-virgin-birth-of-christ\/","url_meta":{"origin":53718,"position":0},"title":"Mormonism and the Virgin Birth of Christ","author":"Jeffrey Hamilton","date":"January 20, 2005","format":false,"excerpt":"by Connie W. Adams via\u00a0Guardian of Truth\u00a0XXXIX: 5 p. 3-4, March 2, 1995 \"Now the birth of Jesus Christ was on this wise: When as his mother Mary was espoused to Joseph, before they came together, she was found with child of the Holy Spirit. Then Joseph her husband, being\u2026","rel":"","context":"In &quot;Article&quot;","block_context":{"text":"Article","link":"https:\/\/www.lavistachurchofchrist.org\/cms\/category\/article\/"},"img":{"alt_text":"","src":"","width":0,"height":0},"classes":[]},{"id":88504,"url":"https:\/\/www.lavistachurchofchrist.org\/cms\/the-test-of-a-prophet-and-joseph-smith\/","url_meta":{"origin":53718,"position":1},"title":"The Test of a Prophet and Joseph Smith","author":"Jeffrey Hamilton","date":"July 9, 2025","format":false,"excerpt":"by Steve Monts In the Bible, we see that a prophet is likened to the mouth of God (Exodus 4:16; 7:1 - Aaron was called Moses' prophet, as he was his spokesman). They did not claim their message was theirs. They prefaced their message with, \"Thus saith the Lord\", and\u2026","rel":"","context":"In &quot;Article&quot;","block_context":{"text":"Article","link":"https:\/\/www.lavistachurchofchrist.org\/cms\/category\/article\/"},"img":{"alt_text":"","src":"","width":0,"height":0},"classes":[]},{"id":85243,"url":"https:\/\/www.lavistachurchofchrist.org\/cms\/was-joseph-smith-jr-a-prophet-of-god\/","url_meta":{"origin":53718,"position":2},"title":"Was Joseph Smith, Jr., a Prophet of God?","author":"Jeffrey Hamilton","date":"March 2, 2025","format":false,"excerpt":"by Dudley Ross Spears via Sentry Magazine, Vol. 16 No. 1, March 31, 1990 Joseph Smith Jr. was an amazing American who claimed to be a true prophet of God. Millions of people worldwide believed his claim, which resulted in one of the largest religious bodies in existence. Everyone should\u2026","rel":"","context":"In &quot;Article&quot;","block_context":{"text":"Article","link":"https:\/\/www.lavistachurchofchrist.org\/cms\/category\/article\/"},"img":{"alt_text":"","src":"","width":0,"height":0},"classes":[]},{"id":69028,"url":"https:\/\/www.lavistachurchofchrist.org\/cms\/proof-the-book-of-mormon-is-not-true\/","url_meta":{"origin":53718,"position":3},"title":"Proof the Book of Mormon Is Not True","author":"Jeffrey Hamilton","date":"July 26, 2024","format":false,"excerpt":"Author Unknown The Book of Mormon contradicts the Bible and was a work of fiction written by Joseph Smith in the 1800s, who copied much of it from the King James Version, trying to make it look like an ancient manuscript. Here is proof that the Book of Mormon isn't\u2026","rel":"","context":"In &quot;Article&quot;","block_context":{"text":"Article","link":"https:\/\/www.lavistachurchofchrist.org\/cms\/category\/article\/"},"img":{"alt_text":"","src":"","width":0,"height":0},"classes":[]},{"id":34489,"url":"https:\/\/www.lavistachurchofchrist.org\/cms\/a-conversation-with-mormon-elders\/","url_meta":{"origin":53718,"position":4},"title":"A Conversation with Mormon Elders","author":"Jeffrey Hamilton","date":"April 24, 2021","format":false,"excerpt":"by Jimmy Ferguson Many of us have received a knock on the door from young men claiming to be \"elders\" in the Mormon Church. While we admire their enthusiasm, it saddens us that these young men have been led into error. Some time ago I had an opportunity to sit\u2026","rel":"","context":"In &quot;Article&quot;","block_context":{"text":"Article","link":"https:\/\/www.lavistachurchofchrist.org\/cms\/category\/article\/"},"img":{"alt_text":"","src":"","width":0,"height":0},"classes":[]},{"id":10893,"url":"https:\/\/www.lavistachurchofchrist.org\/cms\/did-orson-pratt-originate-the-idea-that-the-bible-is-unreliable\/","url_meta":{"origin":53718,"position":5},"title":"Did Orson Pratt originate the idea that the Bible is unreliable?","author":"Jeffrey Hamilton","date":"July 22, 2007","format":false,"excerpt":"Question: Good morning.\u00a0 Back in the 1800's Mormon Apostle Orson Pratt stated that the Bible is fundamentally unreliable; that it had been mistranslated over the centuries.\u00a0 What I want to know is, \u00a0was this statement by Pratt original with him, or did this kind of claim originate earlier in history?\u00a0\u2026","rel":"","context":"In &quot;Answer&quot;","block_context":{"text":"Answer","link":"https:\/\/www.lavistachurchofchrist.org\/cms\/category\/answer\/"},"img":{"alt_text":"","src":"","width":0,"height":0},"classes":[]}],"_links":{"self":[{"href":"https:\/\/www.lavistachurchofchrist.org\/cms\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/53718","targetHints":{"allow":["GET"]}}],"collection":[{"href":"https:\/\/www.lavistachurchofchrist.org\/cms\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts"}],"about":[{"href":"https:\/\/www.lavistachurchofchrist.org\/cms\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/types\/post"}],"author":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/www.lavistachurchofchrist.org\/cms\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/users\/1"}],"replies":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/www.lavistachurchofchrist.org\/cms\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/comments?post=53718"}],"version-history":[{"count":0,"href":"https:\/\/www.lavistachurchofchrist.org\/cms\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/53718\/revisions"}],"wp:attachment":[{"href":"https:\/\/www.lavistachurchofchrist.org\/cms\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/media?parent=53718"}],"wp:term":[{"taxonomy":"category","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/www.lavistachurchofchrist.org\/cms\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/categories?post=53718"},{"taxonomy":"post_tag","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/www.lavistachurchofchrist.org\/cms\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/tags?post=53718"}],"curies":[{"name":"wp","href":"https:\/\/api.w.org\/{rel}","templated":true}]}}