{"id":37770,"date":"2013-03-13T19:18:00","date_gmt":"2013-03-14T00:18:00","guid":{"rendered":"https:\/\/www.lavistachurchofchrist.org\/cms\/?p=37770"},"modified":"2021-09-09T19:23:19","modified_gmt":"2021-09-10T00:23:19","slug":"could-the-freer-logion-have-also-been-removed-from-mark","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/www.lavistachurchofchrist.org\/cms\/could-the-freer-logion-have-also-been-removed-from-mark\/","title":{"rendered":"Could the Freer Logion have also been removed from Mark?"},"content":{"rendered":"\n\n\t<h2>Question:<\/h2>\n<p>Mr. Jim Snapps,<\/p>\n<p>I have read your article about\u00a0<a href=\"https:\/\/www.lavistachurchofchrist.org\/cms\/the-authenticity-of-mark-169-20\/\">the various endings of the book of Mark<\/a>. Since you mentioned the possibility of the deliberate removal of Mark 16:9-20 due to heretical tampering, isn&#8217;t it also possible that the Freer Logion could have been also removed by heretics? The Freer Logion also suffers from mentioning the physicality of Jesus, which would have offended the Gnostics who believed that Jesus did not have a physical body but only &#8220;appeared&#8221; to be physical. I think they were known as Cerinthians, but I could be wrong. Let me know what you think of this idea.<\/p>\n<p>Thank you.<\/p>\n\t<h2>Answer:<\/h2>\n<p>Greetings in Christ!<\/p>\n<p>The Gospel of Mark was circulated by the Christian community in Rome for many years; from there it was taken to the far reaches of the Roman Empire.\u00a0 If the Freer Logion had been part of the original text, it is extremely unlikely that any localized group of heretics would have the ability to remove it from the text that was used in other places.\u00a0 In addition, in terms of internal evidence, the Freer Logion looks like just the sort of thing that someone might insert to make the transition from 16:14 (where Jesus is rebuking the eleven disciples) to 16:15 (where Jesus is commissioning the disciples) less drastic.<\/p>\n<p>Also, the Freer Logion does not explicitly mention Christ&#8217;s physicality; it merely mentions that Christ &#8220;was delivered over to death,&#8221; which would be unobjectionable to a heretic who accepted the rest of the text of Mark as it stands in Codex W (the lone manuscript-witness for the Freer Logion).<\/p>\n<p>So, the short answer to your question is:\u00a0 No. \u00a0Such a theory has no historical or textual foundation.<\/p>\n<p>Yours in Christ,<\/p>\n<p>James Snapp, Jr.<\/p>\n\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>Question: Mr. Jim Snapps, I have read your article about\u00a0the various endings of the book of Mark. Since you mentioned the possibility of the deliberate removal of Mark 16:9-20 due to heretical tampering, isn&#8217;t it also possible that the Freer Logion could have been also removed by heretics? The Freer Logion also suffers from mentioning&hellip;<\/p>\n","protected":false},"author":1,"featured_media":0,"comment_status":"closed","ping_status":"closed","sticky":false,"template":"","format":"standard","meta":{"advanced_seo_description":"","jetpack_seo_html_title":"","jetpack_seo_noindex":false,"jetpack_post_was_ever_published":false,"footnotes":""},"categories":[20],"tags":[568,121],"class_list":["post-37770","post","type-post","status-publish","format-standard","hentry","category-answer","tag-accuracy-of-the-bible","tag-mark"],"jetpack_featured_media_url":"","jetpack_sharing_enabled":true,"jetpack_likes_enabled":true,"jetpack-related-posts":[{"id":627,"url":"https:\/\/www.lavistachurchofchrist.org\/cms\/the-authenticity-of-mark-169-20\/","url_meta":{"origin":37770,"position":0},"title":"The Authenticity of Mark 16:9-20","author":"Jeffrey Hamilton","date":"October 11, 2003","format":false,"excerpt":"by Jim Snapps II \"Does\u00a0Mark 16:9-20\u00a0belong in the Bible?\" The church has answered \"Yes\" for centuries. Many in the church still do. But in the 1800s, scholars questioned the originality of these 12 verses. 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Answer: Each gospel account was written to different audiences with different\u2026","rel":"","context":"In &quot;Answer&quot;","block_context":{"text":"Answer","link":"https:\/\/www.lavistachurchofchrist.org\/cms\/category\/answer\/"},"img":{"alt_text":"","src":"","width":0,"height":0},"classes":[]},{"id":94903,"url":"https:\/\/www.lavistachurchofchrist.org\/cms\/she-has-done-what-she-could\/","url_meta":{"origin":37770,"position":4},"title":"She Has Done What She Could","author":"Jeffrey Hamilton","date":"April 3, 2026","format":false,"excerpt":"by Jason Hardin via In God's Image \"She has done what she could.\" She wasn't the first, and she wouldn't be the last. The Gospel of Mark is full of examples. 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