{"id":36660,"date":"2011-02-27T19:37:00","date_gmt":"2011-02-28T01:37:00","guid":{"rendered":"https:\/\/www.lavistachurchofchrist.org\/cms\/?p=36660"},"modified":"2021-07-13T19:44:44","modified_gmt":"2021-07-14T00:44:44","slug":"is-cain-the-son-of-the-serpent","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/www.lavistachurchofchrist.org\/cms\/is-cain-the-son-of-the-serpent\/","title":{"rendered":"Is Cain the son of the serpent?"},"content":{"rendered":"\n<h2>Question:<\/h2>\n<p>Eve thanks God for buying a child with God. God never talked to Eve, only the snake did. Is she calling the snake God?<\/p>\n<p>Cain built a city, for who? Who did he marry? How did he have the skills?<\/p>\n<p>Chapter 4: Cain&#8217;s offspring contributed to society&#8217;s advancement, but they are not listed as dead. They are sons of God, smart, and live forever.<\/p>\n<p>Chapter 5: The generation of Adam starts with Seth.<\/p>\n<p>Chapter 6: The line of Cain, the sons of God, marry the line of Seth, the sons of Adam.<\/p>\n<p>If Cain is not the son of God then the Bible is all messed up. If he is, he is then the firstborn of creation. Adam was not born but manufactured.<\/p>\n<p>I am sure your understanding is so different that you will ignore this explanation. What I mentioned means the snake is a God. It then explains how it is that he is speaking and is very smart to have known what would happen to Eve. The Hebrew Messiah and the Hebrew snake are numerically identical.<\/p>\n\t<h2>Answer:<\/h2>\n<blockquote><p>&#8220;<em>For the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine, but according to their own desires, because they have itching ears, they will heap up for themselves teachers; and they will turn their ears away from the truth, and be turned aside to fables<\/em>&#8221; (II Timothy 4:3-4).<\/p><\/blockquote>\n<p>There is a flaw in your reasoning: it isn&#8217;t from the Bible except in a very loose sense.<\/p>\n<p>You claim that God never talked to Eve. That is false: &#8220;<em>And the LORD God said to the woman, &#8220;What is this you have done?&#8221; The woman said, &#8220;The serpent deceived me, and I ate&#8221; <\/em>&#8221; (Genesis 3:13). Your claims go downhill from here.<\/p>\n<p>&#8220;<em>Now Adam knew Eve his wife, and she conceived and bore Cain, and said, &#8220;I have acquired a man from the LORD&#8221; <\/em>&#8221; (Genesis 4:1). The Bible is clear that Cain was the result of Adam and Eve&#8217;s sexual relationship. Eve calls the boy &#8220;Cain&#8221; because she recognizes the fact that she could not have had a son without God&#8217;s aid.<\/p>\n<p>The word &#8220;God&#8221; is used throughout Genesis to refer to the Creator of the world. Genesis 3 makes it clear that God and the serpent are separate beings since God addresses a curse to the serpent. &#8220;<em>So the LORD God said to the serpent: &#8220;Because you have done this, you are cursed more than all cattle, and more than every beast of the field; on your belly you shall go, and you shall eat dust all the days of your life<\/em>&#8221; (Genesis 3:14).<\/p>\n<p>Cain married one of his sisters. &#8220;<em>After he begot Seth, the days of Adam were eight hundred years; and he had sons and daughters<\/em>&#8221; (Genesis 5:4). He gained skills the same way all people do, he learned and he invented.<\/p>\n<p>&#8220;<em>And Cain knew his wife, and she conceived and bore Enoch. And he built a city, and called the name of the city after the name of his son-Enoch<\/em>&#8221; (Genesis 4:17). You forget the lifespans of the individuals involved. We aren&#8217;t told how long Cain lived, but if we assume that it was like Adam and Seth (in the 900-year range), a lot of people can be born and living in that period of time. While it might not be a large city by today&#8217;s standards, it still was a walled compound, which is what the Hebrew word <em>&#8216;iyr<\/em>&nbsp;literally means.<\/p>\n<p>Just because a person&#8217;s death isn&#8217;t mentioned, it is false to conclude the person did not die.<\/p>\n\n\n<p>Messiah is&nbsp;\u05de\ufb2a\u05d9\u05d7&nbsp;(mashiyach). Serpent is&nbsp;\u05e0\u05d7\ufb2a&nbsp;(nachash). They are unrelated words. Claiming that they somehow add up to a similar numeric value does not make them related.<\/p>\n<p>You did get one thing right: I will reject your claims because they are not of God. And now the rest of the world can know this as well.<\/p>\n\t<h2>Question:<\/h2>\n<p>Thanks for your answer.<\/p>\n<p>It is implied that God had a child with Eve. Purchasing a man with God? Kanity Ish et Yhwh \u2026it is true enough that it is suggested that Cain was fathered by Adam as well, but in chapter 5 when Adam is mentioned as his father we are told he was in the image of Adam in his likeness which we are not told about the other two. You are then suggesting that the Bible omitted when Cain and his sons died and mentioned it for everyone else by accident? Why mention how much they contributed to society? While it mentions nothing about Seth except that he lived and die? Accident? &nbsp;You are also suggesting that chapter 5 listing Seth as the first son of Adam is a mistake and as to the sons of God are good people, they were so good that when they married the daughters of Adam God reduced their life expectancy to 120. God was upset!<\/p>\n<p>I know the main event for you is the Jesus is the firstborn of creation. Israel was named my son my firstborn. Neither was actually God&#8217;s firstborn. In fact, the reference is clearly to the seed of the firstborn. This is soothing God can insert wirelessly; Saul got it, David got it, Jesus got it.<\/p>\n<p>Unfortunately, since you only read the Bible you are not aware that all major religions start with immaculate conception. Hari Krishna was of immaculate conception. The Egyptians have an identical story and the New Testament also begins a history book of the Son of God with immaculate conception. So does the Torah but one needs to understand all six chapters together.<\/p>\n<p>As to Messiah and Nahash not being related, the word Noh has two-third of Nahash while Shem got the third.<\/p>\n<p>God wrote all the religions and languages, not only the New and Old Testaments. Sorry, Brahma the father of all is married to Sarah- seahoty while Abraham the father of all is married to Sarah.<\/p>\n<p>All the religions tell the same story using Hebrew words and terms<\/p>\n<p>Vatinkan means Bety kan = my house is here.<\/p>\n<p>Torah is the lost book of the god of the Moon god Tho Elohim-Elhayam -god of the ocean (moon controls ocean) who expresses in words the wishes of Ra thus ThoRah. Tho is the god who was capable of resurrection.<\/p>\n<p>As to God being separate from the serpent, he is. There is more than one god. There are two To and Ra Tov and Ra good and bad and together they run the world. Sacrilegious? Let us make a man in our image, let us go down. There is more than one god and they look like God. Psalms has many such references.<\/p>\n<p>As to God having no image, no one sees me and lives means the opposite.<\/p>\n\t<h2>Answer:<\/h2>\n<p>Further nonsense, but you did make it clear that you are a follower of idolatry, which explains your view. Genesis 5 lists the lineage from Adam to Noah. It doesn&#8217;t trace all the side branches, such as Cain, because all these side branches perished in the Flood. Nor does it necessarily follow father to the first-born son, as Adam to Seth clearly demonstrates.<\/p>\n<p>The rest is merely vain attempts to find justification for the world&#8217;s idolatrous religions in the text of the Bible. It isn&#8217;t worth discussing.<\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>Question: Eve thanks God for buying a child with God. God never talked to Eve, only the snake did. Is she calling the snake God? Cain built a city, for who? Who did he marry? How did he have the skills? Chapter 4: Cain&#8217;s offspring contributed to society&#8217;s advancement, but they are not listed as&hellip;<\/p>\n","protected":false},"author":1,"featured_media":0,"comment_status":"closed","ping_status":"closed","sticky":false,"template":"","format":"standard","meta":{"advanced_seo_description":"","jetpack_seo_html_title":"","jetpack_seo_noindex":false,"footnotes":"","jetpack_post_was_ever_published":false},"categories":[20],"tags":[640,189,304],"class_list":["post-36660","post","type-post","status-publish","format-standard","hentry","category-answer","tag-cain","tag-genesis","tag-idolatry"],"jetpack_featured_media_url":"","jetpack_sharing_enabled":true,"jetpack_likes_enabled":true,"jetpack-related-posts":[{"id":41224,"url":"https:\/\/www.lavistachurchofchrist.org\/cms\/did-god-create-other-people-besides-adam-and-eve\/","url_meta":{"origin":36660,"position":0},"title":"Did God create other people besides Adam and Eve?","author":"Jeffrey Hamilton","date":"December 10, 2013","format":false,"excerpt":"Question: Mr. Hamilton, I have a question: Were there any other people on Earth at the time of Cain and Abel or at the time of Adam and Eve were created? 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