{"id":35887,"date":"2012-11-17T20:45:00","date_gmt":"2012-11-18T02:45:00","guid":{"rendered":"https:\/\/www.lavistachurchofchrist.org\/cms\/?p=35887"},"modified":"2021-06-18T20:49:34","modified_gmt":"2021-06-19T01:49:34","slug":"if-christ-died-for-all-then-that-means-all-died-do-you-really-believe-that","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/www.lavistachurchofchrist.org\/cms\/if-christ-died-for-all-then-that-means-all-died-do-you-really-believe-that\/","title":{"rendered":"If Christ died for all, then that means all died. Do you really believe that?"},"content":{"rendered":"\n\n\t<h2>Question:<\/h2>\n<p>In\u00a0<a href=\"https:\/\/www.lavistachurchofchrist.org\/cms\/why-does-thayer-say-that-world-can-mean-believers-only\/\">your rebuke of Thayer&#8217;s Greek Lexicon<\/a>, you used the passage of II Corinthians 5:4-15. &#8220;For the love of Christ compels us, that if one died for all, then all died.&#8221; If &#8220;all&#8221; means the whole population of the world, then the whole population has died (which in the context of scriptures have died to themselves). Can you truthfully look around the world and come to the conclusion that everyone has died to themselves?<\/p>\n<p>You use the word Calvin as some sort of curse. With any study at all, you will find that the early Protestant church all shared this belief as far back as Augustine of the early church. With all due respect (I know that your in God&#8217;s service) you have about a one in a thousand chance to leave your denominational bias out when attempting to decipher Scripture. If you did it might cause some trouble in the denomination. What&#8217;s more important, to be held up high in the congregation or love God&#8217;s word before anything else in your life.<\/p>\n\t<h2>Answer:<\/h2>\n<p>Have all died because of their personal actions? Paul stated, &#8220;<em>for all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God<\/em>&#8221; (Romans 3:23), and sin is the breaking of the law (I John 3:4). In fact, Paul drew the conclusion in Romans 3:23 after citing a long list of Old Testament passages that says everyone has sinned (Romans 3:9-19). Paul also said:<\/p>\n<blockquote><p>&#8220;<em>Therefore, just as through one man sin entered the world, and death through sin, and thus death spread to all men, because all sinned<\/em>&#8221; (Romans 5:12).<\/p>\n<p>&#8220;<em>For God has committed them all to disobedience, that He might have mercy on all<\/em>&#8221; (Romans 11:32).<\/p>\n<p>&#8220;<em>But the Scripture has confined all under sin, that the promise by faith in Jesus Christ might be given to those who believe<\/em>&#8221; (Galatians 3:22).<\/p><\/blockquote>\n<p>We also know that the consequence of sin is death, as mentioned by Paul in Romans 5:12. &#8220;<em>For the wages of sin is death<\/em>&#8221; (Romans 6:23). Therefore, yes, I can truthfully say that the whole population of the world has died because of their own sins.<\/p>\n\n\n<p>Notice that while you give lip service to loving God&#8217;s word, you gave no evidence from God&#8217;s teachings to prove your point; you only argued from incredibility, which is a very weak form of argumentation.<\/p>\n\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>Question: In\u00a0your rebuke of Thayer&#8217;s Greek Lexicon, you used the passage of II Corinthians 5:4-15. &#8220;For the love of Christ compels us, that if one died for all, then all died.&#8221; If &#8220;all&#8221; means the whole population of the world, then the whole population has died (which in the context of scriptures have died to&hellip;<\/p>\n","protected":false},"author":1,"featured_media":0,"comment_status":"closed","ping_status":"closed","sticky":false,"template":"","format":"standard","meta":{"advanced_seo_description":"","jetpack_seo_html_title":"","jetpack_seo_noindex":false,"jetpack_post_was_ever_published":false,"footnotes":""},"categories":[20],"tags":[59,109,73],"class_list":["post-35887","post","type-post","status-publish","format-standard","hentry","category-answer","tag-calvinism","tag-death","tag-jesus"],"jetpack_featured_media_url":"","jetpack_sharing_enabled":true,"jetpack_likes_enabled":true,"jetpack-related-posts":[{"id":16999,"url":"https:\/\/www.lavistachurchofchrist.org\/cms\/where-can-i-find-the-early-church-fathers-writings-and-evidence-that-jesus-lived-and-died\/","url_meta":{"origin":35887,"position":0},"title":"Where can I find the early church father&#8217;s writings and evidence that Jesus lived and died?","author":"Jeffrey Hamilton","date":"December 10, 2008","format":false,"excerpt":"Question: All these early church writing, such as Justin Martyr, Irenaeus and Tatian, the Epistle of Barnabas, Papias, and the Shepherd of Hermas, do you know where I could read their writings? Also, where can I find proof of the existence of Jesus and his death? Do you know of\u2026","rel":"","context":"In &quot;Answer&quot;","block_context":{"text":"Answer","link":"https:\/\/www.lavistachurchofchrist.org\/cms\/category\/answer\/"},"img":{"alt_text":"","src":"","width":0,"height":0},"classes":[]},{"id":1013,"url":"https:\/\/www.lavistachurchofchrist.org\/cms\/do-you-believe-that-baptism-could-be-linked-to-grace\/","url_meta":{"origin":35887,"position":1},"title":"Do you believe that baptism could be linked to grace?","author":"Jeffrey Hamilton","date":"March 5, 2004","format":false,"excerpt":"Question: Do you believe that baptism could be linked to grace? Answer: In the Bible, grace is the concept of a freely given gift; a gift that the recipient has not earned nor has necessarily deserved to receive. God's gift to mankind was the life of His own Son. \"For\u2026","rel":"","context":"In &quot;Answer&quot;","block_context":{"text":"Answer","link":"https:\/\/www.lavistachurchofchrist.org\/cms\/category\/answer\/"},"img":{"alt_text":"","src":"","width":0,"height":0},"classes":[]},{"id":57521,"url":"https:\/\/www.lavistachurchofchrist.org\/cms\/what-is-meant-by-christ-died-for-our-sins\/","url_meta":{"origin":35887,"position":2},"title":"What is meant by &#8220;Christ died for our sins?&#8221;","author":"Jeffrey Hamilton","date":"January 2, 2023","format":false,"excerpt":"Question: The Bible says that Christ died for our sins. Does this mean that he died for the forgiveness of our sins? Answer: \"For I delivered to you as of first importance what I also received, that Christ died for our sins according to the Scriptures\" (I Corinthians 15:3). The\u2026","rel":"","context":"In &quot;Answer&quot;","block_context":{"text":"Answer","link":"https:\/\/www.lavistachurchofchrist.org\/cms\/category\/answer\/"},"img":{"alt_text":"","src":"","width":0,"height":0},"classes":[]},{"id":25823,"url":"https:\/\/www.lavistachurchofchrist.org\/cms\/why-does-thayer-say-that-world-can-mean-believers-only\/","url_meta":{"origin":35887,"position":3},"title":"Why does Thayer say that &#8220;world&#8221; can mean &#8220;believers only?&#8221;","author":"Jeffrey Hamilton","date":"January 27, 2011","format":false,"excerpt":"Question: I have a question regarding an entry in Thayer's Greek Lexicon that is concerning the meaning of the word \"world\" in John 3:16 and other passages. I submit the following entry from the Lexicon: As one of the definitions for the Greek word\u00a0kosmos\u00a0for \"world,\" it gives the following: \"8b)\u2026","rel":"","context":"In &quot;Answer&quot;","block_context":{"text":"Answer","link":"https:\/\/www.lavistachurchofchrist.org\/cms\/category\/answer\/"},"img":{"alt_text":"","src":"","width":0,"height":0},"classes":[]},{"id":45956,"url":"https:\/\/www.lavistachurchofchrist.org\/cms\/did-christ-die-in-vain\/","url_meta":{"origin":35887,"position":4},"title":"Did Christ Die in Vain?","author":"Jeffrey Hamilton","date":"September 13, 2015","format":false,"excerpt":"by Jeffrey W. 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