{"id":28933,"date":"2011-09-12T21:24:00","date_gmt":"2011-09-13T02:24:00","guid":{"rendered":"https:\/\/www.lavistachurchofchrist.org\/cms\/?p=28933"},"modified":"2020-12-24T21:29:22","modified_gmt":"2020-12-25T03:29:22","slug":"is-my-congregation-sinning-by-not-being-frugal","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/www.lavistachurchofchrist.org\/cms\/is-my-congregation-sinning-by-not-being-frugal\/","title":{"rendered":"Is my congregation sinning by not being frugal?"},"content":{"rendered":"\n\n\t<h2>Question:<\/h2>\n<p>I have read the following writing by John Woolman, which touches my heart:<\/p>\n<blockquote>\n<\/blockquote>\n<p>I believe God has taught us frugality in Proverbs 21:17, and some other verses.<\/p>\n<p>However, from what I have observed, my congregation seems to be contrary to God&#8217;s teaching on frugality:<\/p>\n<ol>\n<li>When we gather together to worship or have a Bible class, the air-conditioners are almost always on, consuming much energy. I believe we can still worship God in spirit and in truth without using any superfluities such as an air-conditioner.<\/li>\n<li>The minister of our congregation, who is a full-time worker for the congregation, usually dresses very nicely in expensive clothes, drives a good car, stays in a large and well-decorated apartment, and has dinner with his guests in expensive restaurants. As he is a full-time worker for the Lord, I believe that he is setting a bad example by the way how he spends the money from God. Actually, from how he lives his life, I believe he is earning more than he deserves as a full-time servant of the LORD.<\/li>\n<\/ol>\n<p>In this case, shall I talk to the minister about this problem, or should I simply leave and find another congregation that follows the teaching of God as closely as possible?<\/p>\n\t<h2>Answer:<\/h2>\n<blockquote><p>&#8220;<em>He who loves pleasure will be a poor man; He who loves wine and oil will not be rich<\/em>&#8221; (Proverbs 21:17).<\/p><\/blockquote>\n<p>Frugality is making wise judgments in avoiding waste. It should not be confused with being miserly, which means being cheap or stingy. A frugal person replaces his incandescent bulbs with fluorescent bulbs because they save money over the course of time. A miserly person takes out all the bulbs in a room but one and says that no more is needed.<\/p>\n<p>Proverbs 21:17 points out that the pursuit of luxurious living will impact the pocketbook. I might like the taste of steaks and lobsters, but having expensive meals regularly will impoverish me. But it is wrong to assume the correct answer is to go to the other extreme and declare that I am able to survive on oatmeal for every meal, so it is sinful to buy a hamburger.<\/p>\n<blockquote><p>&#8220;<em>Do not eat the bread of a miser, nor desire his delicacies; for as he thinks in his heart, so is he. &#8220;Eat and drink!&#8221; he says to you, but his heart is not with you. The morsel you have eaten, you will vomit up, and waste your pleasant words<\/em>&#8221; (Proverbs 23:6-8).<\/p>\n<p>&#8220;<em>There is a severe evil which I have seen under the sun: Riches kept for their owner to his hurt<\/em>&#8221; (Ecclesiastes 5:13).<\/p><\/blockquote>\n<p>Can we survive without air conditioning? Certainly, our ancestors did. But we overlook the fact that they were often miserable because of the weather. Not long ago I spent a week in Texas. The temperatures ran between 106 and 113\u00b0F for highs. The lows were in the upper 80&#8217;s to 90&#8217;s. I&#8217;m sure church services could have been held in such heat. Perhaps by moving the time to the early morning hours and shortening the services. Even then many of the elderly and very young probably would not have been able to come for fear that the heat would make them ill.<\/p>\n<blockquote><p>&#8220;<em>There is one who scatters, yet increases more; and there is one who withholds more than is right, but it leads to poverty<\/em>&#8221; (Proverbs 11:24).<\/p>\n<p>&#8220;<em>He who is generous will be blessed, for he gives some of his food to the poor<\/em>&#8221; (Proverbs 22:9).<\/p><\/blockquote>\n<p>Now, I will admit that the church here has air conditioning. Our weather here can be extreme. Years ago, when our old system failed, we replaced it with a high-efficiency model that dropped our utility bill to 1\/4 of what it used to be. That was frugality at work. But you see, the church sees our class and worship times as an opportunity to invite others in. As our guests, we try to make their visit comfortable. We don&#8217;t want things distracting from the purpose of our gatherings. But during the off-hours when I&#8217;m the only one in the building, I set the heat very low in the winter and only heat my office when I am here. During the summer, I set the air-conditioning temperature very high. Since my office is in the basement it is tolerable to me and I dress lightly. I&#8217;m being frugal, and not impacting anyone else with my choices.<\/p>\n<p>I have several friends who choose not to run the air conditioning at their homes, though air conditioning is common in the region. That is their choice about how they want to live and where they want to spend their money. It doesn&#8217;t impact anyone else.<\/p>\n<p>A better question is to ask yourself what do the homes and places of business in your area do? Are you extending the comforts that most enjoy and come to expect? Or are you asking for sacrifices from people simply to save money?<\/p>\n<p>In the parable of the vineyard workers, complaints arose when the master chose to overpay workers who worked a few hours. The question put is a telling one: &#8220;<em>Is it not lawful for me to do what I wish with my own things? Or is your eye evil because I am good?<\/em>&#8221; (Matthew 20:15). You do not judge a person as to whether he is paid adequately or not by how he chooses to spend his money. I generally suggest that a preacher should be paid roughly the same as a school teacher with similar experience is paid in that particular area. If a congregation chooses to be a bit more generous to one who is serving the Lord and pay a bit more, then that is the congregation&#8217;s choice. If a congregation is small and can&#8217;t afford to support a preacher fully, such as the case here in La Vista, then the preacher may be helped by other congregations that know him or he may work a second job.<\/p>\n<p>Remember the woman who anointed Jesus? &#8220;<em>But there were some who were indignant among themselves, and said, &#8220;Why was this fragrant oil wasted? For it might have been sold for more than three hundred denarii and given to the poor.&#8221; And they criticized her sharply. But Jesus said, &#8220;Let her alone. Why do you trouble her? She has done a good work for Me&#8221; <\/em>&#8221; (Mark 14:5-6). Should she have used something cheaper? Should she have spent her money differently? I think not. It was wrong of the disciples to decide for another person what she should or should not do with the money she had earned. Because of this, they lost sight of her generosity and her love for the Lord.<\/p>\n<p>I have no idea what your preacher is being paid, but you can always look at the congregation&#8217;s budget and check the area job market to see if what is being paid is reasonable by comparing it to comparable salaries.<\/p>\n\t<h2>Response:<\/h2>\n<p>Thank you so much for your detailed answer. I learned a lot by reading it. I really appreciate that you answer questions with great patience. May God bless you.<\/p>\n\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>Question: I have read the following writing by John Woolman, which touches my heart: I believe God has taught us frugality in Proverbs 21:17, and some other verses. However, from what I have observed, my congregation seems to be contrary to God&#8217;s teaching on frugality: When we gather together to worship or have a Bible&hellip;<\/p>\n","protected":false},"author":1,"featured_media":0,"comment_status":"closed","ping_status":"closed","sticky":false,"template":"","format":"standard","meta":{"advanced_seo_description":"","jetpack_seo_html_title":"","jetpack_seo_noindex":false,"jetpack_post_was_ever_published":false,"footnotes":""},"categories":[20],"tags":[154],"class_list":["post-28933","post","type-post","status-publish","format-standard","hentry","category-answer","tag-church-funds"],"jetpack_featured_media_url":"","jetpack_sharing_enabled":true,"jetpack_likes_enabled":true,"jetpack-related-posts":[{"id":24079,"url":"https:\/\/www.lavistachurchofchrist.org\/cms\/can-non-believers-join-you-for-worship\/","url_meta":{"origin":28933,"position":0},"title":"Can non-believers join you for worship?","author":"Jeffrey Hamilton","date":"July 25, 2020","format":false,"excerpt":"Question: Hi, I have two questions for now from reading your web site, I am sort of looking for the why and wherefore from you and God\u2019s word. 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