{"id":19524,"date":"2009-07-21T22:01:00","date_gmt":"2009-07-22T03:01:00","guid":{"rendered":"https:\/\/www.lavistachurchofchrist.org\/cms\/?p=19524"},"modified":"2020-01-31T22:04:18","modified_gmt":"2020-02-01T04:04:18","slug":"how-do-you-know-when-a-passage-is-talking-about-older-men-in-a-congregation-or-the-elders-of-a-congregation","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/www.lavistachurchofchrist.org\/cms\/how-do-you-know-when-a-passage-is-talking-about-older-men-in-a-congregation-or-the-elders-of-a-congregation\/","title":{"rendered":"How do you know when a passage is talking about older men in a congregation or the elders of a congregation?"},"content":{"rendered":"\n\t<h2>Question:<\/h2>\n<p>I was wondering with Elder being mentioned in 1 \u00a0or 2 or 3rd John and refers to a woman. I just remember reading it (II John 1; III John 1). I remember someone mentioning it to me a long time ago and the question I have now is how do you tell two elders apart from serving in the church and an older person? Is there a difference in the Greek or just the wording? Anyway, the question came up in my head.<\/p>\n\t<h2>Answer:<\/h2>\n<p>&#8220;The Elder&#8221; is the title John refers to himself in his letters. II John is written either to a woman or to a church using a woman as the personification of a church. III John is addressed to a man named Gaius. Elders are never women since one of the requirements is to be the husband of one wife.<\/p>\n<p>When the office of elders is mentioned, the word &#8220;the&#8221; usually appears before the word. In Greek that is also the way they refer to a person&#8217;s name. They often say &#8220;the Jesus&#8221; instead of just &#8220;Jesus&#8221; as we do in English. If the word is being used as a description (an adjective) then no &#8220;the&#8221; will appear before the word.<\/p>\n<p>For example, in Titus 2:2 it says in Greek: <em>presbutas nephalious einai<\/em>, &#8220;(Elderly men) (sober) (to be).&#8221; In comparison, Hebrews 11:2 says in Greek: <em>en taute gar emarturethesan hoi presbuteroi<\/em>, &#8220;(By) (this) (for) (were borne witness to) (the) (elders).&#8221;<\/p>\n<p>There are some cases where a &#8220;the&#8221; doesn&#8217;t appear in the text, but the context shows us we are talking about the duty or office of the elders and not just older men in a congregation.<\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>Question: I was wondering with Elder being mentioned in 1 \u00a0or 2 or 3rd John and refers to a woman. I just remember reading it (II John 1; III John 1). I remember someone mentioning it to me a long time ago and the question I have now is how do you tell two elders&hellip;<\/p>\n","protected":false},"author":1,"featured_media":0,"comment_status":"closed","ping_status":"closed","sticky":false,"template":"","format":"standard","meta":{"advanced_seo_description":"","jetpack_seo_html_title":"","jetpack_seo_noindex":false,"jetpack_post_was_ever_published":false,"footnotes":""},"categories":[20],"tags":[123,76],"class_list":["post-19524","post","type-post","status-publish","format-standard","hentry","category-answer","tag-elders","tag-terminology"],"jetpack_featured_media_url":"","jetpack_sharing_enabled":true,"jetpack_likes_enabled":true,"jetpack-related-posts":[{"id":55887,"url":"https:\/\/www.lavistachurchofchrist.org\/cms\/were-the-apostles-also-elders-and-can-there-be-unmarried-elders\/","url_meta":{"origin":19524,"position":0},"title":"Were the apostles also elders and can there be unmarried elders?","author":"Jeffrey Hamilton","date":"November 17, 2022","format":false,"excerpt":"Question: My prayer is that all is well. 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