{"id":18531,"date":"2009-04-28T20:45:00","date_gmt":"2009-04-29T01:45:00","guid":{"rendered":"https:\/\/www.lavistachurchofchrist.org\/cms\/?p=18531"},"modified":"2020-01-17T20:51:43","modified_gmt":"2020-01-18T02:51:43","slug":"catholics-venerate-mary-they-dont-worship-her","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/www.lavistachurchofchrist.org\/cms\/catholics-venerate-mary-they-dont-worship-her\/","title":{"rendered":"Catholics venerate Mary, they don&#8217;t worship her"},"content":{"rendered":"\n<h2>Question:<\/h2>\n<p>Allow me to begin by saying that I am not a member of your congregation. Please attend to your own flock before this is taken into account. I am a practicing Catholic that believes strongly in building character through criticism. I also do my best to apply this in my spiritual life. I read your article titled:<\/p>\n<p><a href=\"https:\/\/www.lavistachurchofchrist.org\/cms\/what-is-wrong-with-catholicism\/\">What is the difference between Catholicism and Christianity?&nbsp;<\/a><a href=\"https:\/\/www.lavistachurchofchrist.org\/cms\/what-is-wrong-with-catholicism\/\">What is wrong with the teachings of the Roman Catholic Church?<\/a><\/p>\n<p>I am in no way writing to sway you from your convictions. While I obviously do not agree with it, I want to suggest changing a word in the article to make a truthful statement. I found this statement to be untrue about Catholic belief.<\/p>\n<table border=\"1\" width=\"80%\">\n<tbody>\n<tr>\n<td>A.D. 470<\/td>\n<td><u>Worship<\/u>&nbsp;of Mary as the mother of God<\/td>\n<\/tr>\n<\/tbody>\n<\/table>\n<p>I suggest changing the underlined word to&nbsp;<u>veneration<\/u>. The Catholic Church never has and never will&nbsp;<em>worship<\/em>&nbsp;Mary as that would mean she is somehow equivalent to God. She is not. The Church simply&nbsp;<em>venerates<\/em>&nbsp;her in her unique position as the earthly conduit (mother) of God. As I read on I found that your church believes in no distinction between veneration and worship, but in order to make a more logical argument against Catholicism, changing that word makes sense.<\/p>\n<p>I did not write this to attack or defame your beliefs in any way. I only found that if you are using a logical format to disprove Catholicism, you need every word to be correct. I know this seems to be a blasphemous point of minutiae, however, it is a common misconception about Catholic belief. If I could receive a reply about this I would be most grateful.<\/p>\n\t<h2>Answer:<\/h2>\n<p>I certainly don&#8217;t mind polite requests for consideration. As you pointed out, I&#8217;ve noticed over the years that Roman Catholics spend a good deal of time selecting just the proper word to describe their practices. It gives them elbow room to claim that they aren&#8217;t doing what everyone else clearly sees that they are.<\/p>\n<p>The wording in the article isn&#8217;t incorrect, though I can see why it makes you uncomfortable. Among the definitions of worship are:<\/p>\n<ul>\n<li>The devotion accorded to a deity or to a sacred object; The religious ceremonies that express this devotion; The ardent love of a person; To honor and adore, especially as a deity; To participate in religious ceremonies<\/li>\n<li>a feeling of profound love and admiration<\/li>\n<\/ul>\n<p>Now, before you get upset with me, I know officially Roman Catholics do not claim that Mary is deity, though many of your number do get as close to the edge as they possibly can. See &#8220;<a href=\"https:\/\/www.lavistachurchofchrist.org\/cms\/the-deification-of-mary\/\">The Deification of Mary<\/a>&#8221; for quotes and details. But notice that the emphasis on profound love and admiration is proper usage of the word &#8220;worship&#8221; and is similar to the meaning of veneration:<\/p>\n<ul>\n<li>Profound reverence, respect or awe; Religious zeal, idolatry or devotion<\/li>\n<li>reverence: regard with feelings of respect and reverence; consider hallowed or exalted or be in awe of<\/li>\n<\/ul>\n<p>Again, I know Roman Catholics don&#8217;t think of themselves as practicing idolatry, but it was a part of the definition I found. I selected these simply to point out that the two words are synonyms and attempting to claim you are doing one but not the other is merely splitting hairs that aren&#8217;t even there.<\/p>\n<p>However, since the article&#8217;s purpose is to document when various ideas began in Roman Catholicism, I see no harm in using your own terms when they are equivalent anyway. I also changed &#8220;<a href=\"https:\/\/www.lavistachurchofchrist.org\/cms\/why-did-catholicism-start-and-when-did-it-happen\/\">Why did Catholicism start and when did it happen?<\/a>&#8221; which provides source references.<\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>Question: Allow me to begin by saying that I am not a member of your congregation. Please attend to your own flock before this is taken into account. I am a practicing Catholic that believes strongly in building character through criticism. I also do my best to apply this in my spiritual life. I read&hellip;<\/p>\n","protected":false},"author":1,"featured_media":0,"comment_status":"closed","ping_status":"closed","sticky":false,"template":"","format":"standard","meta":{"advanced_seo_description":"","jetpack_seo_html_title":"","jetpack_seo_noindex":false,"footnotes":"","jetpack_post_was_ever_published":false},"categories":[20],"tags":[278,1599],"class_list":["post-18531","post","type-post","status-publish","format-standard","hentry","category-answer","tag-mary","tag-roman-catholic-church"],"jetpack_featured_media_url":"","jetpack_sharing_enabled":true,"jetpack_likes_enabled":true,"jetpack-related-posts":[{"id":6745,"url":"https:\/\/www.lavistachurchofchrist.org\/cms\/further-objections-to-the-idea-that-catholics-worship-mary\/","url_meta":{"origin":18531,"position":0},"title":"Further objections to the idea that Catholics worship Mary","author":"Jeffrey Hamilton","date":"June 26, 2006","format":false,"excerpt":"Question: Your answers are generally very straightforward, and I assume that you appreciate straightforward responses, so I'll get directly to the point: you're not telling the truth about the Catholic Church and its teachings about Mary.\u00a0 As someone who seems devoted to the Truth (though somewhat misled on several important\u2026","rel":"","context":"In &quot;Answer&quot;","block_context":{"text":"Answer","link":"https:\/\/www.lavistachurchofchrist.org\/cms\/category\/answer\/"},"img":{"alt_text":"","src":"","width":0,"height":0},"classes":[]},{"id":31886,"url":"https:\/\/www.lavistachurchofchrist.org\/cms\/the-catholic-church-and-the-bible\/","url_meta":{"origin":18531,"position":1},"title":"The Catholic Church and The Bible","author":"Jeffrey Hamilton","date":"February 10, 2011","format":false,"excerpt":"by Dennis Tucker Recent articles in the local newspaper have dealt with the Catholic Church and whether or not it is of Christ. Some view such discussions as being non-Christ like. They think everybody has a right to their own faith and all faiths are alike. Therefore, one can be\u2026","rel":"","context":"In &quot;Article&quot;","block_context":{"text":"Article","link":"https:\/\/www.lavistachurchofchrist.org\/cms\/category\/article\/"},"img":{"alt_text":"","src":"","width":0,"height":0},"classes":[]},{"id":42466,"url":"https:\/\/www.lavistachurchofchrist.org\/cms\/you-need-to-really-study-the-catholic-church-before-making-incorrect-statements-on-your-website\/","url_meta":{"origin":18531,"position":2},"title":"You need to really study the Catholic Church before making incorrect statements on your website","author":"Jeffrey Hamilton","date":"January 29, 2022","format":false,"excerpt":"Question: I converted from the church of Christ over 40 years ago and have been a member of the Catholic Church since then. Your online article is totally incorrect in almost all areas. 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Father God establishes his dominion and his\u2026","rel":"","context":"In &quot;Answer&quot;","block_context":{"text":"Answer","link":"https:\/\/www.lavistachurchofchrist.org\/cms\/category\/answer\/"},"img":{"alt_text":"","src":"","width":0,"height":0},"classes":[]},{"id":91952,"url":"https:\/\/www.lavistachurchofchrist.org\/cms\/mary-no-longer-called-co-redemptrix\/","url_meta":{"origin":18531,"position":4},"title":"Mary No Longer Called Co-Redemptrix","author":"Jeffrey Hamilton","date":"November 7, 2025","format":false,"excerpt":"Source: Talia Wise, \"Pope Leo Declares Jesus Alone Saved the World, Rejects Title of Mary as 'Co-Redeemer',\" CBN, 7 November 2025. \"A decree from Pope Leo's office firmly rejects the claim that Mary, Jesus' mother, helped save the world from damnation, settling a debate that has baffled the Catholic community\u2026","rel":"","context":"In &quot;Issues&quot;","block_context":{"text":"Issues","link":"https:\/\/www.lavistachurchofchrist.org\/cms\/category\/issues\/"},"img":{"alt_text":"","src":"","width":0,"height":0},"classes":[]},{"id":32280,"url":"https:\/\/www.lavistachurchofchrist.org\/cms\/where-did-you-get-your-facts-what-you-say-about-roman-catholic-beliefs-doesnt-match-what-i-was-taught\/","url_meta":{"origin":18531,"position":5},"title":"Where did you get your facts? 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