{"id":18458,"date":"2009-04-19T20:57:00","date_gmt":"2009-04-20T01:57:00","guid":{"rendered":"https:\/\/www.lavistachurchofchrist.org\/cms\/?p=18458"},"modified":"2020-01-16T21:04:10","modified_gmt":"2020-01-17T03:04:10","slug":"did-an-angel-actually-stir-the-waters-at-bethesda-or-was-it-only-a-local-tradition","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/www.lavistachurchofchrist.org\/cms\/did-an-angel-actually-stir-the-waters-at-bethesda-or-was-it-only-a-local-tradition\/","title":{"rendered":"Did an angel actually stir the waters at Bethesda, or was it only a local tradition?"},"content":{"rendered":"\n<h2>Question:<\/h2>\n<p>I have a question about one of the study lessons on your site. In &#8216;<a href=\"https:\/\/www.lavistachurchofchrist.org\/cms\/bible-studies\/the-gospel-accounts-a-chronological-harmony\/jesus-authority-questioned\/\">Jesus&#8217; Authority Questioned<\/a>&#8216;, it talks about the Pool of Bethesda, and in the lesson, it says that &#8216;angels stirred the waters&#8217;. My question is: Where or how do we know this to be true? I looked for references in my Bible, but could not find any. Is this said by God, or is this one of those &#8216;tradition&#8217; things, where the people thought maybe that was what was happening, and down through time, they just accepted it to be true, when really they truly didn&#8217;t know if it was or not? Can you help me with this, please?<\/p>\n\t<h2>Answer:<\/h2>\n<blockquote><p>&#8220;<em>Now there is in Jerusalem by the Sheep Gate a pool, which is called in Hebrew, Bethesda, having five porches. In these lay a great multitude of sick people, blind, lame, paralyzed, waiting for the moving of the water. For an angel went down at a certain time into the pool and stirred up the water; then whoever stepped in first, after the stirring of the water, was made well of whatever disease he had<\/em>&#8221; (John 5:2-4).<\/p><\/blockquote>\n<p>While it is tempting to dismiss this as wishful desires among the people, John doesn&#8217;t say that it was reported that an angel stirred up the water. He states it as a fact.<\/p>\n<p>Because this healing is not mentioned in other historical documents before or after this time, it is assumed that these healings only occurred for a short period of time, around the time of Christ.<\/p>\n\t<h2>Question:<\/h2>\n<p>Your answer still confused me, as I had read this section, John 5:2-4, several times during this study. So, I went back to this verse and looked again. No wonder I didn&#8217;t see it. Verse 4 has been omitted from my Bible which is the Revised Standard Version.<\/p>\n<p>While looking for references about the angels stirring the water, I had checked the references on the bottom of the page but did not see it, so I did not realize verse 4 had been omitted. Until, just now, I found it in the very small print where it says some &#8216;ancient authorities insert&#8217;, and there it was.<\/p>\n<p>I must admit, this was confusing, and I am going to have to be more careful from now on, to check the bottom of each page as I study. Thank you for your help. It led me to find out important things.<\/p>\n\t<h2>Answer:<\/h2>\n<p>Yes, there are some poor versions which don&#8217;t include John 5:4, but the problem is that all versions do include &#8220;<em>The sick man answered Him, &#8216;Sir, I have no man to put me into the pool when the water is stirred up; but while I am coming, another steps down before me&#8217;<\/em>&#8221; (John 5:7). That statement by the sick man makes no sense if verse four was not in the original. Thus, the Revised Standard Version testifies against itself.<\/p>\n<p>The reason the Revised Standard Version dropped this verse is not based on true contextual evidence but because the translators on its committee had a strong bias against miracles. It is this same version that they reworded Isaiah 7:14 to say &#8220;young woman&#8221; instead of &#8220;virgin.&#8221; They typically took the non-miraculous direction on the least possible suspicion that an alternative reading was possible.<\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>Question: I have a question about one of the study lessons on your site. In &#8216;Jesus&#8217; Authority Questioned&#8216;, it talks about the Pool of Bethesda, and in the lesson, it says that &#8216;angels stirred the waters&#8217;. My question is: Where or how do we know this to be true? I looked for references in my&hellip;<\/p>\n","protected":false},"author":1,"featured_media":0,"comment_status":"closed","ping_status":"closed","sticky":false,"template":"","format":"standard","meta":{"advanced_seo_description":"","jetpack_seo_html_title":"","jetpack_seo_noindex":false,"footnotes":"","jetpack_post_was_ever_published":false},"categories":[20],"tags":[1502,959,363,319,311],"class_list":["post-18458","post","type-post","status-publish","format-standard","hentry","category-answer","tag-angels","tag-john","tag-miracles","tag-revised-standard-version","tag-translations"],"jetpack_featured_media_url":"","jetpack_sharing_enabled":true,"jetpack_likes_enabled":true,"jetpack-related-posts":[{"id":48969,"url":"https:\/\/www.lavistachurchofchrist.org\/cms\/was-the-angel-at-the-pool-of-bethesda-from-god-or-the-devil\/","url_meta":{"origin":18458,"position":0},"title":"Was the angel at the pool of Bethesda from God or the Devil?","author":"Jeffrey Hamilton","date":"June 28, 2022","format":false,"excerpt":"Question: Dear Sir, There appears to be a lot of confusion regarding whether the angel at the pool of Bethesda was from God or not. 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