{"id":17040,"date":"2008-12-15T15:23:00","date_gmt":"2008-12-15T21:23:00","guid":{"rendered":"https:\/\/www.lavistachurchofchrist.org\/cms\/?p=17040"},"modified":"2019-12-20T15:27:57","modified_gmt":"2019-12-20T21:27:57","slug":"could-hegesippus-have-been-mistaken-and-john-was-sent-to-patmos-in-a-d-70","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/www.lavistachurchofchrist.org\/cms\/could-hegesippus-have-been-mistaken-and-john-was-sent-to-patmos-in-a-d-70\/","title":{"rendered":"Could Hegesippus have been mistaken and John was sent to Patmos in A.D. 70?"},"content":{"rendered":"\n\t<h2>Question:<\/h2>\n<p>Ran into your article,\u00a0<a href=\"https:\/\/www.lavistachurchofchrist.org\/cms\/dating-the-book-of-revelation\/\">Dating the Book of Revelation<\/a>, on the net.\u00a0 The Hegesippus evidence is actually addressed in John A. T. Robinson&#8217;s &#8220;Redating the New Testament.&#8221;\u00a0 Both Domitian and Nerva were in Rome during 69 and 70 AD, while Vespasian and Titus were campaigning in Palestine.\u00a0 They had delegated imperial authority in Vespasian&#8217;s absence.\u00a0 Hegesippus could simply be mistaken about the dates, confusing events that happen in 69 or 70 with similar events in 95 or 96.<\/p>\n\t<h2>Answer:<\/h2>\n<p>The only mention of Hegesippus in John A.T. Robinson\u2019s book, \u201cRedating the New Testament,\u201d as it relates to my point is the following:<\/p>\n<blockquote><p>\u201cApart from quoting Irenaeus, he [Eusebius] refers to \u2018the record of our ancient men\u2019 (i.e. in all probability the Memoirs of Hegesippus) for the tradition that \u2018the apostle John also took up his abode once more at Ephesus after his exile\u2019 under Domitian\u2019s successor Nerva.\u201d (Robinson, p. 223)<\/p><\/blockquote>\n<p>Robinson makes no effort to refute this statement accredited to Hegesippus. In fact, he supports the premise by citing Victorinus\u2019 statement that \u201cJohn was \u2018condemned to the mines in Patmos by Domitian Caesar\u2019.\u201d (Robinson, p. 223) \u00a0Robinson goes on to cast doubt about the viability of these statements by citing Origen and Tertullian.\u00a0 The reader is not informed that Origen and Tertullian both lived decades after Hegesippus.\u00a0 It is unfortunate that Robinson would take the admittedly vague statements of Origen and Tertullian as more creditable over the unrepudiated statements of Hegesippus and Victorinus.<\/p>\n<p>Concerning the theory that Domitian and Nerva were in Rome at an earlier date, Robinson addresses this issue as well.\u00a0 He credits G. Edmundson as the originator of that theory.\u00a0 Edmundson points out that Domitian served as a de facto emperor for the first half of A.D. 70 in the absence of Vespasian and Titus. (Robinson, p. 249)\u00a0 It also turns out that Nerva served in a consulship to the emperor Vespasian a year later.\u00a0 (Robinson, p. 250)\u00a0 Edmundson argues that Domitian could have banished John to Patmos at that time and Nerva could have released him a year later. \u00a0That theory would place the writing of Revelation after A.D. 71 as John wrote the book of Revelation after he was off the island of Patmos (Revelation 1:9). However, this theory does not account for the statements of Irenaeus and Eusebius.\u00a0 Irenaeus said John wrote the book of Revelation \u201ctoward the end of Domitian\u2019s reign\u201d who died while serving as emperor in 96 A.D. (Against Heresies, V, xxx, iii, ANF, I, 559-560.) \u00a0Eusebius records that John was banished to Patmos during Domitian\u2019s 15th year of reign (A.D. 96, EH, III, xx,103).\u00a0 He also records that John returned from Patmos after the death of Domitian (A.D. 96, EH, III, xxiii, 104).\u00a0 This theory is only plausible in the absence of already known evidence.<\/p>\nSteve Hamilton\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>Question: Ran into your article,\u00a0Dating the Book of Revelation, on the net.\u00a0 The Hegesippus evidence is actually addressed in John A. T. Robinson&#8217;s &#8220;Redating the New Testament.&#8221;\u00a0 Both Domitian and Nerva were in Rome during 69 and 70 AD, while Vespasian and Titus were campaigning in Palestine.\u00a0 They had delegated imperial authority in Vespasian&#8217;s absence.\u00a0&hellip;<\/p>\n","protected":false},"author":1,"featured_media":0,"comment_status":"closed","ping_status":"closed","sticky":false,"template":"","format":"standard","meta":{"advanced_seo_description":"","jetpack_seo_html_title":"","jetpack_seo_noindex":false,"jetpack_post_was_ever_published":false,"footnotes":""},"categories":[20],"tags":[279,744,102],"class_list":["post-17040","post","type-post","status-publish","format-standard","hentry","category-answer","tag-history","tag-preterism","tag-revelation"],"jetpack_featured_media_url":"","jetpack_sharing_enabled":true,"jetpack_likes_enabled":true,"jetpack-related-posts":[{"id":13273,"url":"https:\/\/www.lavistachurchofchrist.org\/cms\/dating-the-book-of-revelation\/","url_meta":{"origin":17040,"position":0},"title":"Dating the Book of Revelation","author":"Jeffrey Hamilton","date":"October 16, 2007","format":false,"excerpt":"by Steve A. 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