{"id":6647,"date":"2019-07-22T15:57:33","date_gmt":"2019-07-22T20:57:33","guid":{"rendered":"https:\/\/www.lavistachurchofchrist.org\/cms\/?page_id=6647"},"modified":"2019-07-22T17:19:08","modified_gmt":"2019-07-22T22:19:08","slug":"jobs-response-and-bildads-rebuttal","status":"publish","type":"page","link":"https:\/\/www.lavistachurchofchrist.org\/cms\/bible-studies\/job\/jobs-response-and-bildads-rebuttal\/","title":{"rendered":"Job&#8217;s Response and Bildad&#8217;s Rebuttal"},"content":{"rendered":"\n\t<h1>Class 5, Chapters 16-19<\/h1>\n<h2>Chapter 16 Job<\/h2>\n<p><strong>16:2<\/strong>\u2014I\u2019ve heard this stuff before, a lot of it. Way to go, guys, doing a great job of comforting here.<\/p>\n<p><strong>16:3<\/strong>\u2014Job tires of his friends\u2019 insistence on speaking<\/p>\n<p><strong>16:4<\/strong>\u2014If the tables were turned I could be just like you.<\/p>\n<p><strong>16:5<\/strong>\u2014I could also do the right thing; I could strengthen you (like you also could do this if you only chose to)<\/p>\n<p><strong>16:6<\/strong>\u2014whether I\u2019m silent or I speak, my pain doesn\u2019t go away.<\/p>\n<p><strong>16:7-8<\/strong>\u2014God has worn me out. Even though I\u2019m with friends it\u2019s lonely. Look at me; I\u2019m skin and bones!<\/p>\n<p><strong>16:9<\/strong>\u2014Job envisions God as a fearsome lion and Job is his prey<\/p>\n<p><strong>16:10<\/strong>\u2014nobody respects me and they are all appalled when they see me<\/p>\n<p><strong>16:11<\/strong>\u2014now I\u2019m at the mercy of the wicked<\/p>\n<p><strong>16:12-14<\/strong>\u2014Things were fine and then he grabbed me and destroyed me in a gruesome fashion, one hit after another.<\/p>\n<p><strong>16:15-16<\/strong>\u2014I wear rags and lay in the dust (<strong>Psalm 22:15<\/strong>)<\/p>\n<p><strong>16:17<\/strong>\u2014Still, I\u2019ve done nothing wrong<\/p>\n<p><strong>16:18-19<\/strong>\u2014Don\u2019t let me be forgotten. Let my pain be made known in the earth always. God will stick up for me; he\u2019s seen all of this. He knows all of it<\/p>\n<p><strong>16:20<\/strong>\u2014I cry tears to God<\/p>\n<p><strong>16:21<\/strong>\u2014If only someone would plead with God on my behalf, like man to man.<\/p>\n<p>What Job really wants is what Jesus would eventually do\u2014intercede on man\u2019s behalf to God<\/p>\n<p><strong>Hebrews 9:15, 1 Timothy 2:5<\/strong><\/p>\n<p><strong>16:22<\/strong>\u2014I\u2019ll be dead soon.<\/p>\n<p>Everything Job has to say and wants is made all the more important because he feels he is close to death. He wants everything to be made known before he goes down to the dust.<\/p>\n<p><strong>***<\/strong>Probably the most critical point in chapter 16 is in verse 21. Job desires the very thing we now have as Christians. Job wanted someone to present his case and speak words on his behalf to God. He knows he isn\u2019t equal to God (<strong>9:14-15<\/strong>). He knows he can\u2019t find proper words for the almighty (<strong>9:3<\/strong>). He truly wants someone who understands his situation who can speak directly to God to plead on his behalf. He feels this is his only hope. We have this hope as our reality. It doesn\u2019t take away the troubles we face, but we know that since Jesus spent time in the flesh he can truly relate to what we struggle with. He was tempted in every way we are. He endured hardships and suffering.<strong>***<\/strong><\/p>\n<h2>Chapter 17 Job<\/h2>\n<p><strong>17:1<\/strong>\u2014I have nothing left but death<\/p>\n<p><strong>17:3<\/strong>\u2014who will help me now?<\/p>\n<p><strong>17:4<\/strong>\u2014Job could be speaking of what he thinks God has done to his friends\u2019 ability to reason<\/p>\n<p><strong>17:5<\/strong>\u2014Maybe Job feels his friends are all against him not simply because of what they\u2019ve said, but to gain an advantage over him, possibly for some of his property<\/p>\n<p><strong>17:6<\/strong>\u2014This sounds like a prophecy of Jesus at the crucifixion<\/p>\n<p><strong>17:8<\/strong>\u2014The upright see this and are appalled. It motivates the innocent to oppose the godless. Maybe Job is telling his friends how they would act IF they were innocent.<\/p>\n<p><strong>17:9<\/strong>\u2014The righteous won\u2019t back down; neither will Job as he is righteous<\/p>\n<p><strong>17:10<\/strong>\u2014Job says his friends aren\u2019t wise. \u201cBut you\u201d maybe used to exclude his friends from the description of the righteous he just gave. It\u2019s kind of like that joke when you address a group of your friends saying something like, \u201cFriends, and Frank\u201d. It looks like Frank is excluded from the friends&#8217; category.<\/p>\n<p><strong>17:11<\/strong>\u2014Job has given up on the things he would try to do with his life.<\/p>\n<p><strong>***<\/strong>Have you ever given up on a dream because you felt so beaten down from circumstances?<strong> ***<\/strong><\/p>\n<p><strong>17:12<\/strong>\u2014my friends tell me everything will be okay. Light will be soon.<\/p>\n<p>This phrase could have been a common phrase in Job\u2019s time. I think it was meant as a reminder in tough times that good times are around the corner. It could be using imagery of the sun rising after a dark night to describe how things will brighten up and get better despite the present darkness.<\/p>\n<p><strong>17:13-15<\/strong>\u2014if I do make death and the grave my home, what could I hope for then?<\/p>\n<p><strong>17:16<\/strong>\u2014Will my hope go with me to be in Sheol? Will I descend together with my hope to the grave?<\/p>\n<h2>Chapter 18, Bildad<\/h2>\n<p><strong>18:2<\/strong>\u2014How long will you keep on talking Job?<\/p>\n<p>This is like the start of his previous words to Job<\/p>\n<p><strong>18:3<\/strong>\u2014Why do you think we are stupid? Referring to what Job said in <strong>17:10<\/strong><\/p>\n<p><strong>18:4<\/strong>\u2014possibly Job is tearing off pieces of his skin affected by the sores as he speaks in anger. He was scraping himself anyway, but he was probably tearing away his skin more intensely as he spoke his words with emotion. Bildad asks Job if the world should come to a halt for him.<\/p>\n<p><strong>18:5-6<\/strong>\u2014references <strong>17:7<\/strong><\/p>\n<p><strong>18:7<\/strong>\u2014references <strong>13:27<\/strong> and <strong>5:13<\/strong><\/p>\n<p><strong>18:8<\/strong>\u2014Job will contest this point in <strong>19:6<\/strong><\/p>\n<p><strong>18:11<\/strong>\u2014references <strong>7:14<\/strong><\/p>\n<p><strong>18:16<\/strong>\u2014Job\u2019s sources of greatness are gone and so are the things he did with what he was given<\/p>\n<p><strong>18:17<\/strong>\u2014look at <strong>7:10<\/strong><\/p>\n<p><strong>18:19<\/strong>\u2014Remember that Job\u2019s children died<\/p>\n<p><strong>18:21<\/strong>\u2014this is what happens when you don\u2019t know God. (after describing Job\u2019s predicament to set the stage)<\/p>\n<p>Bildad doesn\u2019t have as many of his own thoughts to attempt to impress on Job in this second time speaking with him. He mostly refutes points Job has made. Perhaps this is an indication of his frustration with Job and the emergence of a more antagonistic attitude.<\/p>\n<h2>Chapter 19 Job<\/h2>\n<p><strong>19:2<\/strong>\u2014contrasted with <strong>9:2<\/strong> when Job agreed on the principle of what Bildad was saying although he didn\u2019t take it as an attack directed at him.<\/p>\n<p><strong>19:3<\/strong>\u2014maybe now Job understands his friends are taking turns attacking him<\/p>\n<p><strong>19:4<\/strong>\u2014even if I did mess up it\u2019s me who must pay for it. Job\u2019s friends accuse him of wrongs against other people and injustice.<\/p>\n<p><strong>19:5<\/strong>\u2014you are treating my calamity like a self-evident witness against me. You believe it attests to my many wrongdoings you accuse me of.<\/p>\n<p>Job\u2019s disgrace is being used as the argument against Job. \u201c<strong><u>Bad things happen to bad people<\/u><\/strong>.\u201d<\/p>\n<p>When you operate with that belief, anybody with troubles becomes guilty of sins. Their trouble is their punishment. This idea conflicts with what Eliphaz said in <strong>5:7<\/strong>. In one instance he equates trouble with living on this earth. In another instance, Job\u2019s friends believe trouble is a direct result of sin.<\/p>\n<p><strong>19:6<\/strong>\u2014look at <strong>18:8<\/strong>\u2014it\u2019s God, not me<\/p>\n<p><strong>19:7<\/strong>\u2014Job\u2019s friends accuse him of injustice but he says there is no justice for him<\/p>\n<p><strong>19:8<\/strong>\u2014see chapter <strong>3:23<\/strong><\/p>\n<p><strong>19:9<\/strong>\u2014God has done all those things that are <strong><u>normally<\/u><\/strong> reserved for the wicked.<\/p>\n<p><strong>19:13-17<\/strong>\u2014Family and friends want nothing to do with me\u2014even servants!<\/p>\n<p><strong>19:15<\/strong>\u2014Job still has guests in his home<\/p>\n<p><strong>19:18<\/strong>\u2014no respect for elders\u2014children speak against me<\/p>\n<p><strong>19:20<\/strong>\u2014I am barely alive!<\/p>\n<p><strong>19:21<\/strong>\u2014Job appeals to his friends for mercy. Everyone else despises him and his friends are the only hope he has now as far as human beings go. (God has touched me).<\/p>\n<p><strong>19:22<\/strong>\u2014why do you assault me as well? Isn\u2019t all this calamity enough? Look at me! Sores, black flesh that breaks out and falls off, sitting in an ash heap, etc.<\/p>\n<p><strong>19:24\u2014Isaiah 40:8<\/strong><\/p>\n<p><strong>19:26-27<\/strong>\u2014when it\u2019s all over I will finally see God with my own eyes. I can\u2019t wait!<\/p>\n<p><strong>19:28-29<\/strong>\u2014Watch yourself, what you say concerning me and my faults for my calamity. You will be judged so have the proper fear about you.<\/p>\n<p><strong>Psalm 58:11<\/strong><\/p>\n\t\t\t<a href=\"https:\/\/www.lavistachurchofchrist.org\/cms\/bible-studies\/job\/jobs-response-an-eliphazs-rebuttal\/\" target=\"_self\" role=\"button\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer\">\n\t\t\t\t\t\t\tPrior Lesson\n\t\t\t\t\t<\/a>\n\t\t\t<a href=\"https:\/\/www.lavistachurchofchrist.org\/cms\/bible-studies\/job\/\" target=\"_self\" role=\"button\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer\">\n\t\t\t\t\t\t\tJob\n\t\t\t\t\t<\/a>\n\t\t\t<a href=\"https:\/\/www.lavistachurchofchrist.org\/cms\/bible-studies\/job\/zophar-job-and-eliphaz\/\" target=\"_self\" role=\"button\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer\">\n\t\t\t\t\t\t\tNext Lesson\n\t\t\t\t\t<\/a>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>Class 5, Chapters 16-19 Chapter 16 Job 16:2\u2014I\u2019ve heard this stuff before, a lot of it. Way to go, guys, doing a great job of comforting here. 16:3\u2014Job tires of his friends\u2019 insistence on speaking 16:4\u2014If the tables were turned I could be just like you. 16:5\u2014I could also do the right thing; I could&hellip;<\/p>\n","protected":false},"author":1,"featured_media":0,"parent":6604,"menu_order":4,"comment_status":"closed","ping_status":"closed","template":"","meta":{"advanced_seo_description":"","jetpack_seo_html_title":"","jetpack_seo_noindex":false,"jetpack_post_was_ever_published":false,"footnotes":""},"class_list":["post-6647","page","type-page","status-publish","hentry"],"jetpack_sharing_enabled":true,"jetpack_likes_enabled":true,"jetpack-related-posts":[{"id":6653,"url":"https:\/\/www.lavistachurchofchrist.org\/cms\/bible-studies\/job\/zophar-job-and-eliphaz\/","url_meta":{"origin":6647,"position":0},"title":"Zophar, Job, and Eliphaz","author":"Jeffrey Hamilton","date":"July 22, 2019","format":false,"excerpt":"Class 6, Chapters 20-23 Chapter 20, Zophar 20:2\u2014maybe Zophar is being sarcastic toward Job because of what was said in 19:29 20:3\u2014I have understanding; it\u2019s what motivates me to speak 20:4-5\u2014it is (and has been for a long time) self-evident that the joy of the wicked is short and quickly\u2026","rel":"","context":"Similar post","block_context":{"text":"Similar post","link":""},"img":{"alt_text":"","src":"","width":0,"height":0},"classes":[]},{"id":22511,"url":"https:\/\/www.lavistachurchofchrist.org\/cms\/bible-studies\/survey-of-the-bible\/survey-of-the-bible-job\/","url_meta":{"origin":6647,"position":1},"title":"Survey of the Bible &#8211; Job","author":"Jeffrey Hamilton","date":"May 18, 2020","format":false,"excerpt":"Survey of the Bible - Job Text: Job 1:6-12 \u00a0 I.\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0The book of Job dates back to the era after the flood \u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0A.\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0It takes place in Uz - Job 1:1 \u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a01.\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0In the area of Edom, southeast of the Dead Sea - Lamentations 4:21 \u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a02.\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0Eliphaz is from a city of Edom\u2026","rel":"","context":"Similar post","block_context":{"text":"Similar post","link":""},"img":{"alt_text":"","src":"","width":0,"height":0},"classes":[]},{"id":6641,"url":"https:\/\/www.lavistachurchofchrist.org\/cms\/bible-studies\/job\/jobs-response-an-eliphazs-rebuttal\/","url_meta":{"origin":6647,"position":2},"title":"Job&#8217;s Response and Eliphaz&#8217;s Rebuttal","author":"Jeffrey Hamilton","date":"July 22, 2019","format":false,"excerpt":"Class 4, Chapters 12-15 Chapter 12 Job 12:2\u2014Well you guys really know it all. You\u2019ve got it all figured out! When you die we won\u2019t know anything. 12:3\u2014I know all of this stuff already\u2014so does everybody!! 12:4\u2014Look at what\u2019s happened to me. I\u2019ve spoken to God and I\u2019m blameless but\u2026","rel":"","context":"Similar post","block_context":{"text":"Similar post","link":""},"img":{"alt_text":"","src":"","width":0,"height":0},"classes":[]},{"id":6661,"url":"https:\/\/www.lavistachurchofchrist.org\/cms\/bible-studies\/job\/jobs-final-appeal\/","url_meta":{"origin":6647,"position":3},"title":"Job&#8217;s Final Appeal","author":"Jeffrey Hamilton","date":"July 22, 2019","format":false,"excerpt":"Class 8, Chapters 28-31 Chapter 28, Job 28:1-2\u2014Think about how gold and silver are mined out of the earth 28:3-4\u2014man uses lamps to go into deep, dark places to find precious metals which are mined out of the ground. 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