{"id":6613,"date":"2019-07-21T16:43:07","date_gmt":"2019-07-21T21:43:07","guid":{"rendered":"https:\/\/www.lavistachurchofchrist.org\/cms\/?page_id=6613"},"modified":"2019-07-22T17:20:48","modified_gmt":"2019-07-22T22:20:48","slug":"bildad-jobs-response-and-zophar","status":"publish","type":"page","link":"https:\/\/www.lavistachurchofchrist.org\/cms\/bible-studies\/job\/bildad-jobs-response-and-zophar\/","title":{"rendered":"Bildad, Job&#8217;s Response, and Zophar"},"content":{"rendered":"\n\t<h1>Chapter 8 Bildad<\/h1>\n<h3>Despite Job\u2019s pain and incredibly tough situation, Bildad is already tired of hearing him speak.<\/h3>\n<p><strong>8:2<\/strong>\u2014Wrap it up Job, seriously. Your words amount to nothing.<\/p>\n<p>Probably not what Job expected Bildad to start off with. Bildad is already harsher than Eliphaz was.<\/p>\n<p><strong>8:4<\/strong>\u2014Bildad implies Job\u2019s children have sinned and have therefore been dealt with according to God\u2019s justice.<\/p>\n<p>***One aspect of Job\u2019s grief over his children is that they are dead. Not only this, but they died while at a feast at their oldest brother\u2019s house (<strong>1:18<\/strong>). We know from <strong>1:5<\/strong> how Job would carry out priestly duties after these feasts by offering animals for sacrifice for each of his children in case they had so much as a wrong thought toward God. Job couldn\u2019t do this for the last feast since his children were all killed during it. Job would likely be in turmoil wondering if any of his children had sinned at that feast. Since he couldn\u2019t consecrate them afterward like usual, he would have to worry about his children and wonder if they were holy during that last feast.***<\/p>\n<p><strong>8:5-6<\/strong>\u2014If you would look for God and plead for mercy, THEN he would take care of you. Bildad is saying whatever Job has done wrong, he has rejected God.<\/p>\n<p><strong>8:7<\/strong>\u2014Bildad offers some encouragement to Job by saying that the best hasn\u2019t come and gone, but his later days will be better<\/p>\n<p><strong>8:8-9<\/strong>\u2014Bildad defers to the wisdom of \u201cbygone ages\u201d to prove his point. He is using a generality which can\u2019t easily be pinned down and is rather elusive. Bildad asserts that everyone present knows nothing compared to this older wisdom. This is kind of like when people refer to the \u201cgood \u2018ol days\u201d, which usually involves very filtered memories and skewed perspective on things rather than a clear picture of what actually happened.<\/p>\n<p><strong>8:10<\/strong>\u2014Bildad asserts his opinion that Job is in the wrong but refers to old wisdom to clue Job in rather than what Bildad speaks of. ***This reminds me of when someone not very well versed in the bible tries to use it to make a point and says something like \u201cIt\u2019s in the bible somewhere, I know it is\u201d. ***<\/p>\n<p><strong>8:11-13<\/strong>\u2014Bildad says the godless are like plants that wither before their time, much like it appears Job has.<\/p>\n<p><strong>8:14-18<\/strong>\u2014The godless person is cut short, denied and forgotten. Nothing he does endures or works the way he wants it to<\/p>\n<p><strong>8:20-22<\/strong>\u2014God will still help you, Job. He won\u2019t reject a blameless man after all. With God, your life will come back together and your enemies will be shamed.<\/p>\n<h1>Chapter 9 Job<\/h1>\n<p><strong>***<\/strong>Job agrees with the principles Bildad has stated although doesn\u2019t think Bildad is declaring him to be one of those wicked people. Job can see the logic in what Bildad is saying, but does not consider himself to be in the wrong nor the ways of the wicked to describe him. Job knows he is blameless.<strong>***<\/strong><\/p>\n<p><strong>9:3<\/strong>\u2014No human could possibly have words to answer God.<\/p>\n<p>God demonstrates his power over his creation. <strong>Verses 4-10<\/strong> give examples of things God does which are beyond the ability of man to perform or understand. Nobody can oppose God and succeed.<\/p>\n<p><strong>***<\/strong>We usually attribute naming the constellations to the Greeks. They were not the first to do this. Some of these constellations Job names were listed in the story of <strong>Gilgamesh<\/strong>, which is said to be written around 2000 B.C.<strong>***<\/strong><\/p>\n<p><strong>9:11<\/strong>\u2014Job can see the workings of God\u2019s power but is unable to perceive him and understand why he does the things he does.<\/p>\n<p><strong>9:12<\/strong>\u2014God is not able to be questioned. When he acts, no one can change his mind.<\/p>\n<p><strong>9:14<\/strong>\u2014What am I going to say to God? What words are there?<\/p>\n<p><strong>9:15<\/strong>\u2014Even though I\u2019m in the right, I have no answer for him. I must ask for mercy instead.<\/p>\n<p><strong>9:19<\/strong>\u2014If it\u2019s about God\u2019s strength, no one can match him, he wins. He is just and can\u2019t be summoned.<\/p>\n<p><strong>9:20<\/strong>\u2014I\u2019m afraid I would say something stupid even though I know I\u2019m innocent. Compared to God I would be proven perverse.<\/p>\n<p><strong>***<\/strong>Job isn\u2019t in the wrong in this situation. Probably since he remembers that he has sinned in his life can he say that God would prove him perverse even though he is innocent in this case.<strong>***<\/strong><\/p>\n<p><strong>9:21<\/strong>\u2014Look guys, I\u2019m not just saying this because I think highly of myself. Seriously, my life is terrible now and I hate it.<\/p>\n<p><strong>9:22<\/strong>\u2014<strong>Major turning point in this verse<\/strong>. Job believes God destroys people regardless of whether they are wicked or righteous. He believes God\u2019s dealings with man to be arbitrary and out of the hands of the people involved. God is involved with his creation, but the people he made are basically along for the ride and helpless before him.<\/p>\n<p><strong>9:23-24<\/strong>\u2014Not only does it seem that God allows disaster for the innocent, but he mocks at the people it happens to. Everything is reversed and messed up. The judges of the earth are blinded and unable to perform their tasks properly. It\u2019s because God wanted it that way\u2014he has blinded them.<\/p>\n<p><strong>9:27-28<\/strong>\u2014There is no pretending things are okay. I am unable to do this because of my fear of my troubles.<\/p>\n<p><strong>9:29-31<\/strong>\u2014If I\u2019m condemned, why do I still have to wait around for my death and go through the motions of living? If I\u2019m headed to death and the pit, what are you waiting for?<\/p>\n<p><strong>9:32-33<\/strong>\u2014Job knows he and God aren\u2019t equals. He has no hope of a fair hearing.<\/p>\n<p><strong>9:34<\/strong>\u2014Please stop destroying me and let me not fear him.<\/p>\n<p><strong>9:35<\/strong>\u2014I can only speak of God through a lens of fear.<\/p>\n<p><strong>***<\/strong>Some things make you cringe to say, DMV, Wal-Mart, the IRS, etc. Job can\u2019t speak of God in a way that isn\u2019t influenced by fear.<strong>***<\/strong><\/p>\n<h1>Chapter 10 Job<\/h1>\n<p>Like any of us going through troubles, we can\u2019t understand, Job wants to know why.<\/p>\n<p><strong>10:1-2<\/strong>\u2014Job states what he would say to God. This is a change from <strong>9:12<\/strong> when Job said that God couldn\u2019t be questioned. Perhaps knowing why would offer some small amount of comfort in his misery.<\/p>\n<p><strong>10:3<\/strong>\u2014Does God oppress? Does he favor the wicked and their plans?<\/p>\n<p><strong>10:4-5<\/strong>\u2014Is God\u2019s perspective limited to what man\u2019s perspective is? Can God see what\u2019s going on as a person can? Is he involved with his creation more than just knowing what has happened?<\/p>\n<p><strong>10:6-7<\/strong>\u2014Why are you coming after me when there is no one who can help me or defend against you?<\/p>\n<p><strong>10:8-11<\/strong>\u2014Job describes how God made him and asks him not to forget about him.<\/p>\n<p><strong>10:12<\/strong>\u2014Life is still considered a gift from God despite the pain Job is experiencing<\/p>\n<p><strong>10:13<\/strong>\u2014You seem like you have forgotten that you made me. I know what you\u2019re up to\u2026<\/p>\n<p><strong>10:14-15<\/strong>\u2014God is out to get me! Righteous or not, I\u2019m his target.<\/p>\n<p><strong>10:16-17<\/strong>\u2014As if this wasn\u2019t bad enough, if I were prideful you would strike me again. As it is, you increase my troubles with these \u201cfriends\u201d of mine who have come against me.<\/p>\n<p><strong>10:18-19<\/strong>\u2014Why did you let me live?<\/p>\n<p><strong>10:20-22<\/strong>\u2014If I can\u2019t die, please leave me alone so I can have some peace and happiness before I do die. Once I\u2019m gone, that\u2019s it. This is my only chance to live and then it\u2019s over.<\/p>\n<h1>Chapter 11 Zophar<\/h1>\n<p>Zophar is the most abrasive of Job\u2019s friends. This is even more apparent after his 2<sup>nd<\/sup> speech.<\/p>\n<p><strong>11:2<\/strong>\u2014Like I\u2019m going to let all that speech of yours pass with no questions asked. There\u2019s no way you can be holy after saying so much.<\/p>\n<p><strong>***<\/strong>Think how you feel hearing some politician give a winded answer that you know is full of lies or avoids the issue.<strong>***<\/strong><\/p>\n<p><strong>11:3<\/strong>\u2014I\u2019m not going to sit here quietly because you\u2019ve spoken. You mock and deserve to be ashamed.<\/p>\n<p><strong>11:4<\/strong>\u2014You claim to be blameless<\/p>\n<p><strong>11:5-6<\/strong>\u2014If God spoke to you he\u2019d set you straight.<\/p>\n<p>Zophar calls it the \u201csecrets of wisdom\u201d, implying God knows the answers and Job doesn\u2019t (it\u2019s true in this case).<\/p>\n<p>In fact Job, you got off easy!! You deserve worse!<\/p>\n<p><strong>11:7-8<\/strong>\u2014How can you possibly understand the wisdom of God?<\/p>\n<p><strong>***<\/strong>All of Job\u2019s friends claim wisdom can\u2019t be grasped but still insist on giving their opinions<strong>***<\/strong><\/p>\n<p><strong>11:9<\/strong>\u2014God\u2019s wisdom is too vast to grasp<\/p>\n<p><strong>11:10<\/strong>\u2014Who can stop God from carrying out justice? (After all, he carried out his justice against you, Job)<\/p>\n<p><strong>11:11<\/strong>\u2014God only does this to worthless men<\/p>\n<p>11:12\u2014You\u2019ll be smart when donkeys give birth to men as their children!!<\/p>\n<p><strong>***<\/strong>Zophar has used an expression similar to how people say \u201cWhen pigs fly\u201d<strong>***<\/strong><\/p>\n<p><strong>11:13<\/strong>\u2014The change begins with your heart, Job. You will reach for God<\/p>\n<p><strong>11:14<\/strong>\u2014Separate yourself from your sin and remove injustice from your tents<\/p>\n<p><strong>11:15-19<\/strong>\u2014When you are holy again you will have no reason to fear. You\u2019ll have security, no more misery or even bad memories of it. You will be secure and feel secure. You won\u2019t be afraid to lie down and people will be there for you again.<\/p>\n<p><strong>11:20<\/strong>\u2014The wicked have no hope and simply want to die.<\/p>\n<p><strong>***<\/strong>Zophar ties what Job said in chapter 3 with advice on how the wicked think. (Breathe their last)<strong>***<\/strong><\/p>\n\t\t\t<a href=\"https:\/\/www.lavistachurchofchrist.org\/cms\/bible-studies\/job\/eliphaz-and-jobs-response\/\" target=\"_self\" role=\"button\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer\">\n\t\t\t\t\t\t\tPrior Lesson\n\t\t\t\t\t<\/a>\n\t\t\t<a href=\"https:\/\/www.lavistachurchofchrist.org\/cms\/bible-studies\/job\/\" target=\"_self\" role=\"button\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer\">\n\t\t\t\t\t\t\tJob\n\t\t\t\t\t<\/a>\n\t\t\t<a href=\"https:\/\/www.lavistachurchofchrist.org\/cms\/bible-studies\/job\/jobs-response-an-eliphazs-rebuttal\/\" target=\"_self\" role=\"button\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer\">\n\t\t\t\t\t\t\tNext Lesson\n\t\t\t\t\t<\/a>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>Chapter 8 Bildad Despite Job\u2019s pain and incredibly tough situation, Bildad is already tired of hearing him speak. 8:2\u2014Wrap it up Job, seriously. Your words amount to nothing. Probably not what Job expected Bildad to start off with. Bildad is already harsher than Eliphaz was. 8:4\u2014Bildad implies Job\u2019s children have sinned and have therefore been&hellip;<\/p>\n","protected":false},"author":1,"featured_media":0,"parent":6604,"menu_order":2,"comment_status":"closed","ping_status":"closed","template":"","meta":{"advanced_seo_description":"","jetpack_seo_html_title":"","jetpack_seo_noindex":false,"footnotes":""},"class_list":["post-6613","page","type-page","status-publish","hentry"],"jetpack_sharing_enabled":true,"jetpack_likes_enabled":true,"jetpack-related-posts":[{"id":6604,"url":"https:\/\/www.lavistachurchofchrist.org\/cms\/bible-studies\/job\/","url_meta":{"origin":6613,"position":0},"title":"Job","author":"Jeffrey Hamilton","date":"July 21, 2019","format":false,"excerpt":"Job by Austin Hausner, 2017 Introduction to Job - Chapters 1 to 3 Eliphaz and Job's Response - Chapters 4 to 7 Bildad, Job's Response, and Zophar - Chapters 8 to 11 Job's Response and Eliphaz's Rebuttal - Chapters 12 to 15 Job's Response and Bildad's Rebuttal - Chapters 16\u2026","rel":"","context":"Similar post","block_context":{"text":"Similar post","link":""},"img":{"alt_text":"","src":"https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/www.lavistachurchofchrist.org\/cms\/wp-content\/uploads\/2019\/09\/Scan0004.tif-300x257.jpg?resize=350%2C200&ssl=1","width":350,"height":200},"classes":[]},{"id":6657,"url":"https:\/\/www.lavistachurchofchrist.org\/cms\/bible-studies\/job\/job-and-bildad\/","url_meta":{"origin":6613,"position":1},"title":"Job and Bildad","author":"Jeffrey Hamilton","date":"July 22, 2019","format":false,"excerpt":"Class 7, Chapters 24-27 Chapter 24 Job 24:1\u2014When does God EVER judge the wicked? 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