{"id":5867,"date":"2003-07-16T16:46:28","date_gmt":"2003-07-16T21:46:28","guid":{"rendered":"https:\/\/www.lavistachurchofchrist.org\/cms\/?page_id=5867"},"modified":"2019-07-16T20:53:44","modified_gmt":"2019-07-17T01:53:44","slug":"no-christians-in-matthew-mark-luke-and-john","status":"publish","type":"page","link":"https:\/\/www.lavistachurchofchrist.org\/cms\/bible-studies\/matthew-mark-luke-and-john-old-testament-or-new-testament\/no-christians-in-matthew-mark-luke-and-john\/","title":{"rendered":"No Christians in Matthew, Mark, Luke, and John"},"content":{"rendered":"\n\t

2.7 No Christians in Matthew, Mark, Luke, and John<\/h1>\n

Quote:<\/h2>\n

“The word “Christian” was not used by Jesus and his Jewish disciples under\u00a0the Law of Moses in MMLJ — before the cross. The word “Christian” is not\u00a0found in MMLJ — before the cross”<\/p><\/blockquote>\n

Answer:<\/h2>\n
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  1. Once again, we see that an argument that proves too much proves nothing. The disciples were not called \u201cChristian\u201d until around about the time recorded in Acts 11:26. Does that mean that those who were converted from Acts 2 to Acts 11 were not \u201cChristians\u201d? Surely no one would so contend. Were the ones who were \u201ctaking Jesus\u2019 yoke and following Him<\/em>\u201d (Matthew 11:26f) going to be the ones who would enter His kingdom and later be called \u201cChristians?\u201d Yes, definitely. Therefore, the fact that the word \u201cChristian\u201d was not used before Acts 11 does nothing toward proving that MML&J were OT books. We recognize, of course, that there were no Christians converted until Pentecost (Acts 2). That is not the issue. The issue is: did Jesus reveal doctrine that applies to us today that is recorded in MML&J, and are the teachings of MML&J themselves (e.g., John 1) New Testament?<\/li>\n
  2. The fact that the gospel Jesus had been preaching would be \u201cpreached in all the world\u201d implies that those very words were intended to make Christians once the death, burial, resurrection, and ascension set the stage for the kingdom to come. And it also implies that they were intended to be a part of the NT that was for \u201call the world,\u201d not just the Jews.<\/li>\n<\/ol>\n

    All six of the above arguments were stated on Nice-list, 10-17-98, 2:11PM, Re: Doctrinal Harmony Within The Covenants<\/p>\n\t\t\t\n\t\t\t\t\t\t\tPrior Section\n\t\t\t\t\t<\/a>\n\t\t\t\n\t\t\t\t\t\t\tMatthew, Mark, Luke, and John: Old Testament or New Testament?\n\t\t\t\t\t<\/a>\n\t\t\t\n\t\t\t\t\t\t\tNext Section\n\t\t\t\t\t<\/a>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"

    2.7 No Christians in Matthew, Mark, Luke, and John Quote: “The word “Christian” was not used by Jesus and his Jewish disciples under\u00a0the Law of Moses in MMLJ — before the cross. The word “Christian” is not\u00a0found in MMLJ — before the cross” Answer: Once again, we see that an argument that proves too much…<\/p>\n","protected":false},"author":1,"featured_media":0,"parent":5797,"menu_order":11,"comment_status":"closed","ping_status":"closed","template":"","meta":{"advanced_seo_description":"","jetpack_seo_html_title":"","jetpack_seo_noindex":false,"jetpack_post_was_ever_published":false,"footnotes":""},"class_list":["post-5867","page","type-page","status-publish","hentry"],"jetpack_sharing_enabled":true,"jetpack_likes_enabled":true,"jetpack-related-posts":[{"id":5858,"url":"https:\/\/www.lavistachurchofchrist.org\/cms\/bible-studies\/matthew-mark-luke-and-john-old-testament-or-new-testament\/jesus-was-an-old-testament-israelite\/","url_meta":{"origin":5867,"position":0},"title":"Jesus Was an Old Testament Israelite","author":"Jeffrey Hamilton","date":"July 16, 2003","format":false,"excerpt":"2.4 Jesus Was an Old Testament Israelite Quote: \"Jesus was an Old Testament 'Israelite' -- not a New Testament 'Christian.' 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