{"id":5847,"date":"2003-07-16T15:54:54","date_gmt":"2003-07-16T20:54:54","guid":{"rendered":"https:\/\/www.lavistachurchofchrist.org\/cms\/?page_id=5847"},"modified":"2019-07-16T20:58:57","modified_gmt":"2019-07-17T01:58:57","slug":"other-arguments-answered","status":"publish","type":"page","link":"https:\/\/www.lavistachurchofchrist.org\/cms\/bible-studies\/matthew-mark-luke-and-john-old-testament-or-new-testament\/other-arguments-answered\/","title":{"rendered":"Other Arguments Answered"},"content":{"rendered":"\n\t<h1>Chapter 2<\/h1>\n<h1>Other Arguments Answered<\/h1>\n<p>In this chapter, we present several other arguments that are used to prove that MML&amp;J were Old Testament books that have no doctrinal application to us today.<\/p>\n<h2>2.1 Jesus Lived Under the Old Testament Law<\/h2>\n<h3>Quote:<i>\u00a0<\/i><\/h3>\n<blockquote><p><i>&#8220;<\/i>Jesus was &#8220;born&#8221; under the law (Gal. 4:4) and he died on the cross to\u00a0&#8220;end&#8221; the Old Testament Law of Moses (Rom. 10:4; Col. 2:14). This means that everything Jesus said and taught was under the authority of the Old Testament Law of Moses.&#8221;<\/p><\/blockquote>\n<h3>Answer:<\/h3>\n<ol>\n<li>Moses was born under Patriarchal Law, but that did not keep him from issuing the Passover command before he got to Sinai. See Exodus 12, which was eight chapters before he ever gave the Sinai law.<\/li>\n<li>Moses commanded the Passover which carried over into the Sinai testament, and Israel would always look back to what Moses had taught them in Egypt concerning the Passover and would continue to base their actions on that teaching Moses gave <b>while <\/b>he was under Patriarchal Law.<\/li>\n<li>Being born under Patriarchal Law did not prevent Moses from working toward the establishment of national Israel. Neither did the fact that Jesus was born under the Law of Moses prevent Him from working toward the establishment of spiritual Israel.<\/li>\n<li>Being born under Patriarchal Law did <i>not<\/i> mean that \u201ceverything Moses said and taught was under the authority of the Patriarchal Law.\u201d Moses was given the divine right to speak things that pertained to Israel in a unique way that was not understood or expressed by mere Patriarchal Law. Likewise, being born under the Law of Moses did\u00a0<i>not<\/i> mean that \u201ceverything Jesus said and taught was under the authority of the OT Law of Moses.\u201d Jesus was given the divine right to speak things that pertained to spiritual Israel in a unique way not understood or expressed by mere Mosaic Law.<\/li>\n<li>While Moses was born under Patriarchal Law, his major concern was not people\u2019s relationship to Patriarchal Law, but his focus was on preparing Israelites for separation from Egypt so that he could bring them into national identity with their own new laws. The \u201cprophet like unto Moses\u201d (Jesus) had a major concern too. It was not Israel\u2019s relation to the Mosaic Law, but on preparing people for separation from the world so that He could bring them into a new spiritual identity, the kingdom of heaven. The coming kingdom was the major focus of Jesus\u2019 preaching (Matthew 4:23; 5:3,10,19; 6:10; 10:7; 11:12; 13:11,19; etc.). Being born under the law did not mean the focus of His preaching was on the \u201ctutor\u201d (the law \u2013 Galatians 3:24). But, being the Christ, His focus was on preparing the \u201ctutored\u201d for graduation into kingdom faith. Those who are graduating need to know some things about the life they will be expected to live in the kingdom. This is what Jesus was giving them. The Sermon on the Mount is laying out the expected life in His kingdom.<\/li>\n<\/ol>\n\t\t\t<a href=\"https:\/\/www.lavistachurchofchrist.org\/cms\/bible-studies\/matthew-mark-luke-and-john-old-testament-or-new-testament\/the-summary-argument\/\" target=\"_self\" role=\"button\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer\">\n\t\t\t\t\t\t\tPrior Section\n\t\t\t\t\t<\/a>\n\t\t\t<a href=\"https:\/\/www.lavistachurchofchrist.org\/cms\/bible-studies\/matthew-mark-luke-and-john-old-testament-or-new-testament\/\" target=\"_self\" role=\"button\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer\">\n\t\t\t\t\t\t\tMatthew, Mark, Luke, and John: Old Testament or New Testament?\n\t\t\t\t\t<\/a>\n\t\t\t<a href=\"https:\/\/www.lavistachurchofchrist.org\/cms\/bible-studies\/matthew-mark-luke-and-john-old-testament-or-new-testament\/only-one-law-in-force\/\" target=\"_self\" role=\"button\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer\">\n\t\t\t\t\t\t\tNext Section\n\t\t\t\t\t<\/a>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>Chapter 2 Other Arguments Answered In this chapter, we present several other arguments that are used to prove that MML&amp;J were Old Testament books that have no doctrinal application to us today. 2.1 Jesus Lived Under the Old Testament Law Quote:\u00a0 &#8220;Jesus was &#8220;born&#8221; under the law (Gal. 4:4) and he died on the cross&hellip;<\/p>\n","protected":false},"author":1,"featured_media":0,"parent":5797,"menu_order":6,"comment_status":"closed","ping_status":"closed","template":"","meta":{"advanced_seo_description":"","jetpack_seo_html_title":"","jetpack_seo_noindex":false,"footnotes":""},"class_list":["post-5847","page","type-page","status-publish","hentry"],"jetpack_sharing_enabled":true,"jetpack_likes_enabled":true,"jetpack-related-posts":[{"id":5851,"url":"https:\/\/www.lavistachurchofchrist.org\/cms\/bible-studies\/matthew-mark-luke-and-john-old-testament-or-new-testament\/only-one-law-in-force\/","url_meta":{"origin":5847,"position":0},"title":"Only One Law in Force","author":"Jeffrey Hamilton","date":"July 16, 2003","format":false,"excerpt":"2.2 Only One Law in Force Quote: \"The Old Testament Law of Moses was the only covenant law in force during the time of MMLJ -- before the cross. The New Testament of Christ was not revealed or did it come into force before the death of Christ (Heb. 9:16-17).\"\u2026","rel":"","context":"Similar post","block_context":{"text":"Similar post","link":""},"img":{"alt_text":"","src":"","width":0,"height":0},"classes":[]},{"id":5840,"url":"https:\/\/www.lavistachurchofchrist.org\/cms\/bible-studies\/matthew-mark-luke-and-john-old-testament-or-new-testament\/proposition-3-problem-of-mingling\/","url_meta":{"origin":5847,"position":1},"title":"Proposition 3: Problem of Mingling","author":"Jeffrey Hamilton","date":"July 16, 2003","format":false,"excerpt":"1.3 Proposition 3: The Problem of \"Mingling\" Going back to the original quotation: \u201cI do not believe that He mingled them together, for that would be pouring new wine in old wineskins and making spiritual adulterers\u00a0of those He was expecting to obey His words. I don't think we ever see\u2026","rel":"","context":"Similar post","block_context":{"text":"Similar post","link":""},"img":{"alt_text":"","src":"","width":0,"height":0},"classes":[]},{"id":5836,"url":"https:\/\/www.lavistachurchofchrist.org\/cms\/bible-studies\/matthew-mark-luke-and-john-old-testament-or-new-testament\/proposition-2-when-did-jesus-cease-teaching-the-law\/","url_meta":{"origin":5847,"position":2},"title":"Proposition 2: When Did Jesus Cease Teaching the Law?","author":"Jeffrey Hamilton","date":"July 16, 2003","format":false,"excerpt":"1.2 Proposition 2: When Did Jesus Cease Teaching the Law? The statement was made above as to the importance of:\u00a0\u201cAt what point did Jesus cease to teach the Law of Moses and begin to teach His will?\u201d\u00a0This is based on the following proposition: In order for Jesus to reveal NT\u2026","rel":"","context":"Similar post","block_context":{"text":"Similar post","link":""},"img":{"alt_text":"","src":"","width":0,"height":0},"classes":[]},{"id":5870,"url":"https:\/\/www.lavistachurchofchrist.org\/cms\/bible-studies\/matthew-mark-luke-and-john-old-testament-or-new-testament\/jesus-teachings-as-prophecy\/","url_meta":{"origin":5847,"position":3},"title":"Jesus\u2019 Teachings as \u201cProphecy\u201d","author":"Jeffrey Hamilton","date":"July 16, 2003","format":false,"excerpt":"Chapter 3 Jesus\u2019 Teachings as \u201cProphecy\u201d Time and time again when we point out that there are obvious teachings of Jesus that were not Old Testament elaboration but were clearly intended for us today, those who want to contend that MML&J are Old Testament books will counter that this was\u2026","rel":"","context":"Similar post","block_context":{"text":"Similar post","link":""},"img":{"alt_text":"","src":"","width":0,"height":0},"classes":[]},{"id":5804,"url":"https:\/\/www.lavistachurchofchrist.org\/cms\/bible-studies\/matthew-mark-luke-and-john-old-testament-or-new-testament\/the-basic-argument\/","url_meta":{"origin":5847,"position":4},"title":"The Basic Argument","author":"Jeffrey Hamilton","date":"July 14, 2003","format":false,"excerpt":"Chapter 1 The Basic Argument The controversy over Matthew, Mark, Luke, and John turns on the basic argument that Jesus lived His life under the Law of Moses and therefore could not have given any commands that would uniquely go into the New Testament before His death. 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