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					<description><![CDATA[by Samuel Matthews “For the grace of God that bringeth salvation hath appeared to all men, teaching us that, denying ungodliness and worldly lusts, we should live soberly, righteously, and godly, in this present world;  looking for that blessed hope, and the glorious appearing of the great God and our Saviour Jesus Christ; who gave&#8230;]]></description>
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	<p style="text-align: right;">by Samuel Matthews</p>
<blockquote><p>“<em>For the grace of God that bringeth salvation hath appeared to all men, teaching us that, denying ungodliness and worldly lusts, we should live soberly, righteously, and godly, in this present world;  looking for that blessed hope, and the glorious appearing of the great God and our Saviour Jesus Christ; who gave himself for us, that he might redeem us from all iniquity, and purify unto himself a peculiar people, zealous of good works. These things speak, and exhort, and rebuke with all authority. Let no man despise thee</em>” (Titus 2:11-15, KJV).</p></blockquote>
<h2>The Importance of Authority</h2>
<p>Loved ones, authority plays a role in everyone’s daily life. Laws and rules guide us, offering protection and direction. In schools, regulations preserve order and enhance learning. Similar principles apply in the realm of religion.</p>
<p>To worship and serve God, we must not invent our own rules but instead follow the directions He has provided. As stated in John 4:24, “God is a Spirit: and they that worship him must worship him in spirit and in truth.”</p>
<p>Sadly, today, countless “Christian” denominations exist, each claiming to serve God. Many have adopted additional creeds, manuals, or articles of faith alongside the Bible. These additional man-made teachings often contradict God’s revealed Word. Paul wrote that God had revealed the mystery of Christ to the apostles and prophets by the Spirit (Ephesians 3:3-5). Ultimately, God’s authoritative book is the Bible.</p>
<h2>Passages Concerning Authority</h2>
<p>With respect to authority, let’s notice a few “authoritative” passages from the Bible:</p>
<blockquote><p>“<em>And Jesus came and spake unto them, saying, All power is given unto me in heaven and in earth.  Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost: teaching them to observe all things whatsoever I have commanded you: and, lo, I am with you alway, even unto the end of the world. Amen</em>” (Matthew 28:18-20).</p></blockquote>
<p>Christ said He had been given “all authority,” which means we need to listen to Him and give heed to His teaching. In fact, “<em>And whatsoever ye do in word or deed, do all in the name of the Lord Jesus, giving thanks to God and the Father by him</em>” (Colossians 3:17). “In the name of” means “by the authority of.”</p>
<p>The Apostle John wrote by the Holy Spirit, “<em>Whosoever transgresseth, and abideth not in the doctrine of Christ, hath not God. He that abideth in the doctrine of Christ, he hath both the Father and the Son</em>” (II John 1:9).</p>
<p>Another authoritative passage that applies is in Matthew 4:4: “<em>But Jesus answered and said, It is written, Man shall not live by bread alone, but by every word that proceedeth out of the mouth of God</em>.”</p>
<h2>Denominational Practices That Contradict God’s Word</h2>
<p>Let us examine certain denominational teachings and practices that diverge from biblical authority, applying biblical principles as we do so.</p>
<h3>Infant Baptism</h3>
<p>Some denominations practice infant baptism. If this is done by Christ’s authority, where in Scripture is this found? There is no passage in the Bible that supports infant baptism, nor is there an example of infants being baptized.</p>
<p>Scripture calls for belief and repentance prior to baptism. In Mark 16:16, Jesus states: “<em>He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved; but he that believeth not shall be damned</em>.” Here, belief —something an infant cannot possess – precedes baptism.</p>
<p>At the church’s founding (Acts 2), Peter instructed the believers who were pricked in their hearts to “<em>Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost</em>” (Acts 2:37-38). Repentance, too, comes before baptism. Infants are incapable of repenting.</p>
<p>The Greek word for “baptize” means “to immerse.” Therefore, a Biblical baptism is a burial or immersion in water. “<em>Buried with him in baptism, wherein also ye are risen with him through the faith of the operation of God, who hath raised him from the dead</em>” (Colossians 2:12).</p>
<p>Acts 8:36-39 details baptism as immersion, as Philip baptized the Ethiopian eunuch: “<em>And as they went on their way, they came unto a certain water: and the eunuch said, See, here is water; what doth hinder me to be baptized? And Philip said, If thou believest with all thine heart, thou mayest. And he answered and said, I believe that Jesus Christ is the Son of God. And he commanded the chariot to stand still: and they went down both into the water, both Philip and the eunuch; and he baptized (immersed) him. And when they were come up out of the water, the Spirit of the Lord caught away Philip, that the eunuch saw him no more: and he went on his way rejoicing</em>.”</p>
<p>Some denominational groups “baptize” by sprinkling, pouring, or even using rose petals. The Presbyterian Church baptizes by pouring water, the Catholic Church by sprinkling water, and the Salvation Army does not baptize at all.</p>
<p>Sprinkling or pouring water on an infant is not a biblical baptism. Sprinkling for baptism was officially recognized by the Catholic Church at the Council of Ravenna in A.D. 1311. Previously, baptism was performed through immersion. By what authority was the biblical teaching on baptism changed? The Bible remains unchanged.</p>
<p>Since these practices are of men, not God, they are not accepted by God. These groups are <b>not </b>the one body of Christ revealed in the New Testament (I Corinthians 12:27; Ephesians 4:4; Matthew 16:18-19).</p>
<h3>Women Preachers</h3>
<p>None of the apostles were women; however, many denominations now ordain women as evangelists. What does Scripture say about this? “<em>Let the woman learn in silence with all subjection. But I suffer not a woman to teach, nor to usurp authority over the man, but to be in silence. For Adam was first formed, then Eve. And Adam was not deceived, but the woman being deceived was in the transgression</em>” (I Timothy 2:11-14).</p>
<p>Titus 2:15 commands the preacher to teach with <b>all </b>authority, yet I Timothy 2:12 prohibits women from teaching or holding authority over men in the church. Therefore, women preachers are not authorized by God.</p>
<p>This does not mean women cannot teach men privately. Acts 18:24-26 shows Priscilla, along with Aquila, teaching Apollos privately. “<em>And a certain Jew named Apollos, born at Alexandria, an eloquent man, and mighty in the scriptures, came to Ephesus. This man was instructed in the way of the Lord; and being fervent in the spirit, he spake and taught diligently the things of the Lord, knowing only the baptism of John. And he began to speak boldly in the synagogue: whom when Aquila and Priscilla had heard, they took him unto them, and expounded unto him the way of God more perfectly</em>.”</p>
<p>Paul instructed the church in Corinth: “<em>Let your women keep silence in the churches: for it is not permitted unto them to speak; but they are commanded to be under obedience, as also saith the law.  And if they will learn anything, let them ask their husbands at home: for it is a shame for women to speak in the church</em>” (I Corinthians 14:34-35).</p>
<p>So, by what authority do churches ordain women preachers or evangelists today? It is not by God’s authority, but by human authority, influenced by Satan to disregard God’s revelation (cf. I Timothy 4:1).</p>
<h2>Descriptive Titles and Names</h2>
<h3>Elders/Bishops</h3>
<p>Local church shepherds have various titles—overseer, bishop, pastor, or elder—depending on the Bible translation. Their qualifications are listed in I Timothy 3:1-7: “<em>This is a true saying, If a man desire the office of a bishop, he desireth a good work. A bishop then must be blameless, the husband of one wife, vigilant, sober, of good behaviour, given to hospitality, apt to teach... Moreover he must have a good report of them which are without; lest he fall into reproach and the snare of the devil</em>.”</p>
<p>A pastor must be married and have good children—qualifications showing leadership. Do all churches follow this teaching? No. Some denominations now have women serving as "pastors" or "elders," even though the Bible states that an overseer must be a "husband." Surely the bishops of the Roman Catholic Church are not authorized because bishops, archbishops, priests, and popes are prohibited from marrying, which is a devil’s doctrine contradicting Scripture (I Timothy 4:1-3).</p>
<h3>The Church</h3>
<p>Among others, Scripture refers to “<em>the churches of Christ</em>” (Romans 16:16), “<em>church of God</em>” (I Corinthians 1:2), or “<em>church of the firstborn</em>” (Hebrews 12:23). These designations are given by God to His church—the church that follows His Word, the New Testament.</p>
<p>The name is not the only concern. To find God’s church, one must examine its teachings and practices, ensuring they conform to Scripture, not the denominational commandments of men (cf. I Corinthians 1:10). Even in the Old Testament, Christ rebuked denominational divisions.</p>
<p>In Matthew 23:13, He said, “<em>But woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye shut up the kingdom of heaven against men: for ye neither go in yourselves, neither suffer ye them that are entering to go in</em>.” Scripture affirms that under the Old Testament law, God wanted His people to be just “Israelites” (John 1:47; Romans 11:1) — not divided into denominations (Pharisees, Sadducees, Scribes, etc.).</p>
<p>Every denominational creed differs from the Bible in some way. The creeds divide believers; therefore, the Lord is not pleased with, nor does He ask for, denominational Christians. Today, God wants His disciples to be simply Christians (Acts 11:26), members of the church Jesus promised He would build (Matthew 16:18), who follow only the New Testament. God does not want Presbyterian Christians, Mormon Christians, Pentecostal Christians, Catholic Christians, etc.</p>
<p>Before His ascension, Christ said: “<em>Howbeit when he, the Spirit of truth, is come, he will guide you into all truth</em>...” (John 16:13). Nowhere were the apostles guided into denominational titles. If the New Testament contains all truth, why would anyone desire to follow doctrines that contradict it? If the Bible contains all truth, what do the denominational creeds contain—God’s Word, or Satan’s deceptions?</p>
<p>About the doctrines of men, Christ said: “Ye hypocrites, well did Esaias prophesy of you, saying, This people draweth nigh unto me with their mouth, and honoureth me with their lips; but their heart is far from me. But in vain they do worship me, teaching for doctrines the commandments of men” (Matthew 15:7-9). Notice that word “doctrines” – it means <b>many </b>different teachings. Yet, the Bible's Godhead is <strong>one</strong>, and He reveals oneness.</p>
<p>Ephesians 4:4-6 states: “<em>There is one body, and one Spirit, even as ye are called in one hope of your calling; one Lord, one faith, one baptism, one God and Father of all, who is above all, and through all, and in you all</em>.”</p>
<p>How many bodies – One, which is the church of Christ. Jesus “<em>is head of the body, the</em> (one) <em>church</em>…” (Colossians 1:18). Not thousands of denominational church bodies. How many faiths – One, which is the Gospel (Romans 10:17). Not the doctrines of men. How many Spirits, hopes, Lords, baptisms, and Gods – <strong>one</strong>.</p>
<h2>Final Warnings</h2>
<p>Many differences exist between the Bible and denominational doctrines, but those referenced illustrate the problems of following human doctrine rather than God’s authoritative word.</p>
<p>Question: What is Satan’s role in the world? He is a deceiver! “<em>And the great dragon was cast out, that old serpent, called the Devil, and Satan, which deceiveth the whole world: he was cast out into the earth, and his angels were cast out with him</em>” (Revelation 12:9). Don’t be one of his victims!</p>
<p>God has warned us against going “too far”—beyond what has been given to us in the God-inspired Word of God, the Bible. We must heed the warnings found in Revelation 22:18-19: “<em>For I testify unto every man that heareth the words of the prophecy of this book, If any man shall add unto these things, God shall add unto him the plagues that are written in this book: and if any man shall take away from the words of the book of this prophecy, God shall take away his part out of the book of life, and out of the holy city, and from the things which are written in this book</em>.”</p>
<p>Through the free gift of God’s grace by Jesus’ blood (Ephesians 2:8; Revelation 1:5) and your obedient faith (Romans 1:5; 16:26), salvation is offered. If you have any questions or would like to comment, please don't hesitate to do so. Lord willing, a Bible answer will be provided for every Bible question. The God of Heaven and Earth is good, and His love reaches all. We love you with the love of the Lord (John 13:34-35).</p>
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					<description><![CDATA[Question: Good day, Minister, I am reaching out because I was searching to see if it was okay for a woman to preach in a church. I read a lot, and your breakdown was more understandable and less depressing. I recently joined a church, but women run it. The church members are doing everything in&#8230;]]></description>
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	<h2>Question:</h2>
<p>Good day, Minister,</p>
<p>I am reaching out because I was searching to see if it was okay for a woman to preach in a church. I read a lot, and your breakdown was more understandable and less depressing.</p>
<p>I recently joined a church, but women run it. The church members are doing everything in the church, beating drums and preaching. My kids' father, whom I invited, was very opposed to going to the church because it is not the way God intended for it to run. Women cannot be in charge of the church, which I agree with. Since the church leader's husband died, she is now addressed as pastor. I don't call her that; I address her by her first and last name. But they have a man there who preaches frequently, but is not the leader. I have noticed that there will be people who visit and never return due to this problem, as well as the fact that the church is not run the way it should be.</p>
<p>Now that I have read what you wrote, I understand the problem even more. My first attempt at mentioning it to her was not successful. She said some things about it, but one thing made me step back: her comment that women run the world. If that is what she thinks, they probably won't succeed.</p>
<p>I'm wrong for telling her God has to come to her and say something to her to make these changes, but why are you not reading the Bible? It's there, sighhh. The only good thing is that there aren't too many people there, and I hope they open their eyes. I appreciate you taking the time to read!</p>
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<p>Why are you choosing to attend a group that isn't following God's teaching? How will this benefit you and your family? You are clearly dealing with a false teacher. I'm glad you are talking to her to give her a chance to change, but I would not recommend attending there until there are changes.</p>
<p>God would not tell her to do things differently from everyone else. "<em>I am amazed that you are so quickly deserting Him who called you by the grace of Christ, for a different gospel; which is really not another; only there are some who are disturbing you and want to distort the gospel of Christ. But even if we, or an angel from heaven, should preach to you a gospel contrary to what we have preached to you, he is to be accursed! As we have said before, so I say again now, if any man is preaching to you a gospel contrary to what you received, he is to be accursed! For am I now seeking the favor of men, or of God? Or am I striving to please men? If I were still trying to please men, I would not be a bond-servant of Christ</em>" (Galatians 1:6-10).</p>
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<p><span data-olk-copy-source="MessageBody">Good morning. Thank you so much for the reply. You are so correct. I just try not to step over step, but I'm glad I did.</span></p>
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	<p style="text-align: right;">by Vance Trefethen<br />
via <em>Sentry Magazine</em>, Vol. 16 No. 1, March 31, 1990</p>
<p>The recent elevation of Barbara Harris to the position of bishop in the Episcopal church stirred up a great deal of controversy within that denominational body and called the attention of the world at large to the role of women in the church. The move probably should not have caused as much uproar within the Episcopal church as it did. After all, if you can scripturally and morally have a woman "priest" (her position before being promoted), how could there possibly be any problem with a female bishop? (Understanding that the priesthood of the Episcopal Church is based on the Levitical priesthood and not that of Christians, all of whom are priests.</p>
<p>One of the most important lessons to be learned by the people of God from these denominational follies is seen in the arguments of conservatives in the Episcopal church who opposed Ms. Harris’ appointment as bishop. None of them argued that a divorced woman could not possibly meet the qualifications of Titus 1:6-9 ("husband of one wife," etc.) to qualify as a bishop. Perhaps they were constrained by the fact that that passage would also disqualify many male Episcopal bishops.</p>
<p>Instead, their reasoning went like this:</p>
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<li>Jesus only appointed men as apostles. That’s true enough.</li>
<li>Bishops are the successors to the "office" held by the apostles. I don’t know where in the Bible one would find that teaching, but it plays a big role in Roman Catholic and Anglican theology.</li>
<li>Therefore, bishops should be men. Right, but for the wrong reasons.</li>
<li>And besides, that’s the way we’ve always done it. This is the major reason there has never been a female Anglican bishop in all these years.</li>
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<p>There are two major lessons that I believe are readily apparent. First, once you disregard the authority of the Scriptures, there is no place you can stop and say, "No, the church shouldn’t be doing that. That isn’t right." How could anyone in the Episcopal church appeal to the Scriptures to object to what they conscientiously believe to be wrong when that body practices so many other unscriptural things (apostolic succession, latter-day "priests," etc.)? Where is the stopping point once you have decided to disregard the scriptures regarding any doctrine or practice? If you can have one unscriptural practice, why not two? Or three?</p>
<p>The second lesson is that "the way we’ve always done it" is a poor substitute for the Scriptures. Conservative Episcopalians found that argument insufficient to stop Ms. Harris from being "ordained" to her position. The reason is mainly that the argument has no moral force. "That’s how we’ve always done it" doesn’t make anything right or wrong. An innovator has simply to ask, "So what if that’s the way we’ve always done it?" and he has adequately answered the conservative’s argument. The inspired writers and prophets of the Bible never resorted to that argument to persuade man to walk in God’s commandments. Instead, you find Paul telling the Corinthians to "<em>let the women keep silence in the churches</em>" and then telling them to "<em>take knowledge of the things which I write unto you, that they are the commandment of the Lord</em>" (I Corinthians 14:34,37). Paul tells the Corinthians that all the other churches are practicing this same teaching (I Corinthians 14:33), but that is not why Corinth is to do so. They had to practice this because it was a commandment of the Lord.</p>
<p>The Glen Burnie, Maryland, church sponsors a weekly live radio program in Baltimore on which we take telephone calls and discuss religious issues over the air. A topic that frequently comes up is the question of "women pastors." Many of the protestant denominations in Baltimore have had female religious leaders for years (unlike the Episcopal church). The preacher for the Glen Burnie church and I were on the program, and we had just finished answering questions along those lines (using I Corinthians 14 and I Timothy 2:12) and reading exactly what the Bible says about the issue.</p>
<p>The discussion went something like this:</p>
<p>VT: Hello, you're on the air.</p>
<p>Caller: Hello. I just wanted to say that I don’t see anything wrong with having a woman preacher in the church.</p>
<p>VT: Well, were you listening just a minute ago when we read the two passages that say it’s wrong?</p>
<p>Caller: Oh, yes, but I just don’t see anything wrong with it. I mean, if a woman can do a good job, why shouldn’t she be allowed to preach?</p>
<p>Preacher: Do you think I would be wrong to steal, lie, or use foul language? Aren’t those things wrong because the Bible says I’m not supposed to do them? Women preachers are wrong because the Bible says they’re wrong.</p>
<p>Caller: Oh, I know, but I just don’t see anything wrong with it..."</p>
<p>People with an attitude like that are not simply the figments of some conservative preacher’s imagination. <span style="box-sizing: border-box; margin: 0px; padding: 0px;">The Bible warns against those who "<em>love not the truth.</em>" That kind of person won’t be persuaded by "that’s the way we’ve always done it."</span> We shouldn’t expect them to be. As the next generation grows up, they need to learn why the church does and does not practice certain things, and I define "why" as book chapter and verse. A church that practices the right things for the wrong reasons (or an reason) will last at most one generation. It will soon be disturbed by innovators who will challenge "the way we’ve always done it." Will our children be ready to give them an answer?</p>
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via Sentry Magazine, Vol. 13, No. 4, December 31, 1987</p>
<p><img decoding="async" class="alignright size-medium wp-image-84608" src="https://www.lavistachurchofchrist.org/cms/wp-content/uploads/2025/02/considering-300x200.avif" alt="" width="300" height="200" srcset="https://www.lavistachurchofchrist.org/cms/wp-content/uploads/2025/02/considering-300x200.avif 300w, https://www.lavistachurchofchrist.org/cms/wp-content/uploads/2025/02/considering.avif 640w" sizes="(max-width: 300px) 100vw, 300px" />The priesthood of the Mosaical dispensation was a special priesthood limited by the Law to certain males of the tribe of Levi. These ordained representatives of God had the exclusive right to offer sacrifices on behalf of the people. Today, no such priesthood has any right to exist before God. All saints are part of His priesthood, offering up their own bodies as living and holy sacrifices (see I Peter 2:5; Romans 12:1-2).</p>
<p>Any who argue for or against women serving as "priests" evidence their total disregard for Jesus Christ. Too, any who plead for a "special ministry" (whether male or female) show they have no respect for the Lord. To learn more about this, come and visit.</p>
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					<description><![CDATA[by Jefferson David Tant An interesting passage in Hebrews 8 contains a statement that has an important message for us today, even as it did when it was written thousands of years ago. It mentions the fact that God has a “pattern” that is to be respected and followed. It points out that even Christ&#8230;]]></description>
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<p>An interesting passage in Hebrews 8 contains a statement that has an important message for us today, even as it did when it was written thousands of years ago. It mentions the fact that God has a “pattern” that is to be respected and followed. It points out that even Christ could not have been a priest while on earth, as he did not meet the qualifications. So, if the Son of God respected God's instructions, what gives men the right today to change the patterns that God has given us in what was written to guide us today, the New Testament?</p>
<blockquote><p>“<em>Now if He were on earth, He would not be a priest at all, since there are those who offer the gifts according to the Law; who serve a copy and shadow of the heavenly things, just as Moses was warned by God when he was about to erect the tabernacle; for, "See," He says, "that you make all things <strong>according to the pattern which was shown you</strong> on the mountain</em>" (Hebrews 8:4-5).</p></blockquote>
<p>Consider God's pattern or instructions concerning man and woman in the Old Testament: “For this reason a man shall leave his father and his mother, and be joined to his wife; and they shall become one flesh” (Genesis 2:24). That was God’s pattern for marriage, and nowhere was it accepted to depart from it and allow homosexual relationships.</p>
<p>Notice a few of God’s instructions concerning the garments for the priests in the Old Testament. "<em>You shall make two rings of gold and shall place them on the two ends of the breastpiece, on the edge of it, which is toward the inner side of the ephod. You shall make two rings of gold and put them on the bottom of the two shoulder pieces of the ephod, on the front of it close to the place where it is joined, above the skillfully woven band of the ephod</em>" (Exodus 28:26-27). A priest was denied entrance into the temple because he was not appropriately dressed.</p>
<p>So, what’s the point of this article? It concerns the <em>pattern</em> God has given us in the New Testament concerning the church established on the Day of Pentecost in Acts 2 and the many departures that are seen in men's denominations today.</p>
<p>Consider just a few examples where the <em>pattern</em> is discarded and not followed.</p>
<h2>Women Pastors</h2>
<p>It is well known that many denominations have women serving as pulpit ministers and other official duties. But what does the <em>pattern</em> have to say about this? “<em>But I do not allow a woman to teach or exercise authority over a man, but to remain quiet. For it was Adam who was first created, and then Eve. And it was not Adam who was deceived, but the woman being deceived, fell into transgression</em>" (I Timothy 2:12-14).</p>
<p>God had a reason for this. Women, by nature, have a more trusting nature. Who did Satan tempt in the Garden? The woman Eve. This nature enhances their vital role as mothers who nurture their children. Husbands and wives have different family roles. Do men give birth to babies? No! This does not make men any less worthy than women. They have different roles. And God ordained such in the church. Men and women have different roles. This does not mean that a woman cannot teach a man about God’s Word, for we have an example of Priscilla teaching a preacher who was mistaken about a matter. But she and her husband did it in private.</p>
<p>Apollos “<em>began to speak out boldly in the synagogue. But when Priscilla and Aquila heard him, they took him aside and explained to him the way of God more accurately</em>” (Acts 18:26).</p>
<p>Thus, every church that allows women pastors or similar leadership roles does not follow God's pattern.</p>
<h2>Baptism by Immersion in Water</h2>
<p>Many denominations practice baptism by sprinkling or pouring water; some even sprinkle rose petals. (I’m sure it smells nice.)</p>
<p>Let’s consider God’s revelation and see what it says about the mode of baptism. First, consider New Testament Greek, the common language then. The Greek for “baptize” is βαπτίζω (baptízō). It means "submerge" or "immerse." It is used only in the New Testament for ceremonial ablution, especially for the ordinance of Christian baptism. The word implies submersion or immersion, in contrast to sprinkling.</p>
<p>That is the Bible’s <em>pattern</em> -- a burial. Consider a Biblical example. "<em>Or do you not know that all of us who have been baptized into Christ Jesus have been baptized into His death? Therefore, we have been buried with Him through baptism into death, so that as Christ was raised from the dead through the glory of the Father, so we too might walk in newness of life</em>" (Romans 6:3-4).</p>
<p>What happens when a person dies? He is buried. He does not have dirt sprinkled or poured on him.</p>
<p>The denominational practice of sprinkling or pouring was authorized in 1311. The Roman Catholic church admits baptism by immersion was practiced till 1311 AD:</p>
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<li>"Baptism took place by immersion in ancient times." [New Interpretation of the Mass, p. 120].</li>
<li>"Catholics admit that immersion brings out more fully the meaning of the sacrament and that for twelve centuries, it was the common practice." [Question Box, p. 240].</li>
<li>"Baptism used to be given by placing the person to be baptized completely in the water: it was done in this way in the Catholic Church for 1200 years." [Adult Catechism, pp. 56-57].</li>
<li>"The church at one time practiced immersion. This was up to the thirteenth century. The Council of Ravenna, in 1311, changed the form from immersion to pouring." [Our Faith and the Facts, p. 399].</li>
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<p>Who can deny that sprinkling or pouring is obviously “<em>not according to the pattern</em>?” By what authority do churches change the practice from immersion to pouring or sprinkling?</p>
<p>Interestingly, the Church of England, Presbyterian, and Congregational churches all used immersion until the Westminster assembly in 1643. Several bishops, seeing how much more convenient sprinkling was, came before Parliament, insisting that "the devil of immersion ought to be legislated out of the realm; it is so troublesome." The vote was 24 to 24. Dr. Lightfoot was chairman and cast the deciding vote to eliminate immersion. In 1644, Parliament repealed laws about immersion. Those who were not sprinkled were treated as outlaws. [Edinburg Encyclopedia, Vol. 3, p. 236]. Thus, God's will was overturned by a vote of humans who acted on their own authority rather than the authority of Christ.</p>
<h2>Denominational Books of Doctrine</h2>
<p>Every organization has a set of rules that determine its practices. The United States Government has the Constitution. The Boy Scouts has The Boy Scout Handbook, crafted to equip young men to become resilient leaders of tomorrow. The Salvation Army Handbook of Doctrine explores the Eleven Articles of Faith guiding that denomination. And so with the Standard Manual for Baptist Churches, the Methodist Discipline, the Roman Catholic Catechism, and so on for the thousands of denominations. All these books teach doctrines and practices that contradict and differ from the other denominational creeds, as well as conflicting and differing from God’s Word, the Bible. If they taught the same thing as the Bible, God’s Word, we wouldn’t need them, for we all have access to Bibles, and that’s all the early Christians had for many years.</p>
<h2>God’s Book of Doctrine</h2>
<p>God’s power and wisdom have given us directions on how to serve Him, live in His world, and prepare ourselves for an eternal home in heaven, which will be far different from the fires of hell.</p>
<p>Consider Christ’s words about the Old Testament scriptures that were still in force until His resurrection when the New Testament was written. "<em>For truly I say to you, until heaven and earth pass away, not the smallest letter or stroke shall pass from the Law until all is accomplished. Whoever then annuls one of the least of these commandments, and teaches others to do the same, shall be called least in the kingdom of heaven; but whoever keeps and teaches them, he shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven</em>” (Matthew 5:18-19).</p>
<p>Now note what God has said concerning “<em>according to the pattern</em>,” what is written in the New Testament. “<em>I testify to everyone who hears the words of the prophecy of this book: if anyone adds to them, God will add to him the plagues which are written in this book; and if anyone takes away from the words of the book of this prophecy, God will take away his part from the tree of life and from the holy city, which are written in this book</em>” (Revelation 22:18-19).</p>
<p>Consider Christ’s words about men’s doctrines then: “<em>You hypocrites, rightly did Isaiah prophesy of you: 'This people honors me with their lips, but their heart is far away from me.' 'But in vain do they worship me, teaching as doctrines the precepts of men'</em>" (Matthew 15:7-9). And those words are still relevant today.</p>
<p>Who was He talking about? The Jewish denominations of His day--the Pharisees, the Sadducees, the Zealots, the Herodians. They all claimed to be Jews, but they were the denominations of men and were not authorized by God. They all had their creeds and doctrines that differed from God’s word, the Old Testament. There was only one group against which Christ did not speak. “<em>Jesus saw Nathanael coming to him, and saith of him, Behold, an Israelite indeed, in whom is no guile!</em>" (John 1:47).</p>
<p>That’s all God wanted them to be in the Old Testament — Israelites! Not Sadducee Israelites, nor Pharisee Israelites, etc. And today? All God wants is for us to be Christians, not Baptist Christians, Methodist Christians, etc. The Baptist Manual disagrees on some points with the Methodist Discipline. And so with every denominational creed. They differ not only from one another but also from God’s Word, the New Testament. If they all agreed with the Bible, we wouldn’t need them, for we already have what God gave us, His Word. The evidence is that God will reject the thousands of differing denominational creeds today just as he rejected the denominational creeds of the Sadducees and Zealots thousands of years ago.</p>
<p>Now, think about it. Is God OK with the Catholic Catechism? And what about the Baptist Manual? If God approves of these denominational creed books, there is a severe problem. These books, and thousands of others, all disagree with one another and disagree with the Bible. These confusing and contradicting books of doctrine cannot be the product of the mind of God, “<em>for God is not a God of confusion but of peace, as in all the churches of the saints</em>” (I Corinthians 14:33). Wouldn’t you say that 42,000 different doctrines are confusing? Then God is <b>not </b>the author of this confusion.</p>
<h2>A Final Thought</h2>
<p>Suppose you wanted to build a house that would fit your needs. You hired an architect to draw up the blueprint that included your desires—how many bedrooms, the size of the kitchen, including a fireplace in the living room, etc.</p>
<p>In time, the architect presented you with the blueprint you had described. Then, you hired a builder and gave him the blueprint. After some weeks spent building the house, he called for you to come and inspect it. And guess what? The builder had not followed the blueprint. The house had only two bedrooms instead of three. There was no fireplace in the living room, etc., etc.</p>
<p>What would your reaction be? Would you say, “That’s OK. You didn’t follow the blueprint, but I’ll take the house anyway.”? Probably not!</p>
<p>So, what do you think Christ’s attitude is towards those who ignore the pattern, the blueprint He has given for His church? Do you remember His words in Matthew 16:18? When Peter acknowledged that Christ was the Son of God, Christ said “<em>I also say to you that you are Peter, and upon this rock I will build My church; and the gates of Hades will not overpower it.</em>” Where can we find this church's instructions, <em>pattern</em>, or blueprints? Obviously, in the New Testament.</p>
<p>The apostle Paul then warns about the spiritual kingdom, the church, which is built on the foundation of Jesus Christ.</p>
<blockquote><p>“<em>According to the grace of God which was given to me, like a wise master builder I laid a foundation, and another is building on it. But each man must be careful how he builds on it. For no man can lay a foundation other than the one which is laid, which is Jesus Christ</em>” (I Corinthians 3:10-11).</p></blockquote>
<p>Let us be careful that we follow the instructions in God's blueprint, the pattern revealed in God’s Word, the New Testament. It’s still vital that we “<em>make all things according to the pattern</em>.”</p>
<p>The plea of this writer is for men to put away the doctrines, creeds, names, and practices of the churches of men and become Christians only, following only the teaching of God’s Word. Let us do “<em>all things according to the pattern</em>.” If you have any questions, feel free to ask.</p>
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<p>Every significant movement within society will eventually, to some degree, make itself felt in the church. The phenomenon of "women's liberation" is no exception.</p>
<p>There are those within the body of Christ who are clamoring that women must throw off the yoke of male domination and claim their rightful place in the family of God — namely, an active role in preaching and leadership.</p>
<h2>Two Basic Arguments for Expanding the Role of Women</h2>
<p>The approach to this issue has been twofold. One group has argued that New Testament authority is virtually a fiction—that its restrictions have virtually no application for modern times.</p>
<p>Bobbie Lee Holley, a former editor of Mission journal, adopted a completely infidelic attitude by suggesting that certain troubling passages in the Bible are merely the result of "rabbinical trappings, the innate prejudices of a patriarchal social structure, physiological ignorance, and obsolete cultural patterns" (1975, 9). Ms. Holley contended that there are no divine distinctions between the sexes, thus apostolic restrictions on woman's roles are not authoritative for today's church.</p>
<p>Adopting a similarly modernistic viewpoint, some simply deny Paul's authorship of passages like 1 Corinthians 14:33-34 and 1 Timothy 2:11-14. They allege that these proscriptions of woman's public-serving capacity were authored by anonymous writers of a later period, and, therefore, may be ignored.</p>
<p>Such was the position of the Cahaba Valley Church of Christ (Birmingham, Alabama) as outlined in a letter from her elders to the congregation (Cahaba 1990, 8-9). While on one hand disputing the veracity of the New Testament documents, the elders oddly enough in the very same document also appealed to New Testament authority for their actions, alleging there are passages "that show women doing virtually everything that men do in the church" (5). With or without New Testament authority, the Cahaba elders then prescribed a program for implementing women worship leaders, deacons, and preachers over the next five years.</p>
<p>Some have even brazenly claimed direct revelation from the Holy Spirit, instructing their expanded role as did Lauren King, a "minister" with the 4th Avenue church in Franklin, Tennessee.</p>
<p>Such positions are so radical they should be forthrightly rejected by sincere Christians. We will not consume the space to refute them.</p>
<p>The other and more popular approach is to argue that there is New Testament authority supporting the expanded role of women in the worship and leadership of the church. The following is a brief review of some of the common arguments currently being advanced as alleged proof for this position.</p>
<h2>Women Prophesied in the Early Church</h2>
<p>The New Testament mentions women prophesying (Acts 2:18; 21:9; I Corinthians 11:5). It is asserted that prophesying was preaching, hence, women of the first century preached.</p>
<p>Several unwarranted assumptions are made in this argument.</p>
<p>First, it would have to be proven that women prophesied in a leadership and teaching capacity within the sexually integrated assemblies in the passages under consideration.</p>
<p>There is no justification for that assumption in any of the texts cited.</p>
<p>Second, we must observe that the word "prophesy" derives from two Greek roots, pro (forth), and <em>phemi</em> (to speak). It is a very general term and may mean "to teach, refute, reprove, admonish, comfort" (Thayer 1958, 553; cf. I Corinthians 14:3).</p>
<p>Prophesying can simply suggest the idea of "<em>giving thanks and praising God</em>" (I Chronicles 25:3). The meaning of the word in a given situation must be determined by the context, as well as additional information in the scriptures.</p>
<p>Elsewhere, Paul limits the extent of a woman's "forth-speaking" (teaching, etc.) when he writes:</p>
<p>I permit not a woman to teach, nor to have dominion over a man, but to be in quietness (I Timothy 2:12).</p>
<p>The negative conjunction <em>oude</em> (nor) is explanatory in force, suggesting that the kind of female teaching prohibited is that which exercises dominion (i.e., leadership) over the man (Lenski 1964, 563; see also Arndt &amp; Gingrich 1967, 595).</p>
<p>And so, while it is clear that women of the early church did prophesy, it is equally certain that they did not subordinate men to the role of students in any public teaching capacity.</p>
<p>It should be noted that Priscilla's involvement in teaching Apollos was privately done in conjunction with her husband, Aquilla (Acts 18:26).</p>
<h2>Was Phoebe a Deaconess?</h2>
<p>On the basis of Romans 16:1-2, some are contending that:</p>
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<li>Phoebe was a church "official" (a deacon);</li>
<li>the church was to "assist her," allegedly implying her authority over the church; and</li>
<li>she had been a "helper" (<em>prostatis</em>) of many, purportedly suggesting that she had exercised authority, discipline, and supervision over men in the church.</li>
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<p>All of this supposedly proves that Phoebe was some sort of authoritarian figure in the early church.</p>
<p>Mike Armour, a former preacher for the Skillman Avenue Church in Dallas, employed this argument in defense of a feminine-authority role in the church (Methvin 1990, 257). Armour contended that <em>prostatis</em>, used of Phoebe, is also employed of an elder's "rule" in I Timothy 3:5.</p>
<p>Though a cognate verbal form is employed in that place, Armour neglected to mention that the term can also mean to "be concerned about, care for, give aid" (Arndt &amp; Gingrich, 714).</p>
<p>For example, in Titus 3:8,14 the sense is "maintain" good works, not to "rule."</p>
<p>Both Hugo McCord and Norman Gipson publicly and lovingly rebuked brother Armour at the 1990 Yosemite Family Encampment. Both men have excellent responses to Armour's material in the volume cited above.</p>
<p>In reply to this argument, the following facts must be observed:</p>
<h3>1. A servant doesn't imply authority.</h3>
<p>The word <em>diakonos</em> simply means a "servant" (Matthew 23:11; John 2:5, etc.), and any "official" attachment to the term must be demanded by the context, as in Philippians 1:1 and I Timothy 3:8,12.</p>
<h3><strong>2. Assistance doesn't imply authority.</strong></h3>
<p>The fact that the saints were encouraged to "assist" Phoebe did not imply her authority over them.</p>
<p>The Greek word <em>paristemi</em> meant to "come to the aid of, help, stand by." When Paul said, "the Lord stood by (<em>pareste</em>, i.e. assisted) me" (II Timothy 4:17), he certainly was not asserting that he had authority over the Lord!</p>
<h3><strong>3. A helper doesn't imply authority.</strong></h3>
<p>The word <em>prostatis</em> (helper) does not necessitate oversight or a position of authority. If it did, then Phoebe had exercised authority over an apostle, for Paul said she had been his helper as well as others!</p>
<p>The term could simply denote the idea of rendering aid. Though the word is found only here in the New Testament, a third-century B.C. letter of a son to his father uses the verbal form:</p>
<p>There will be nothing of more importance for me than to look after you for the remainder of life, in a manner worthy of you, and worthy of me" (Mouton &amp; Milligan 1963, 551).</p>
<p>Phoebe had merely been a helper of Paul and others. There is not the slightest evidence that she held any male-designated church office or served as our modern-day preacherettes so badly desire.</p>
<h2>Fellow workers, Euodia and Syntyche</h2>
<p>In Philippians 4:2-3, Paul comments that these two women "labored" with him in the gospel. He calls them, along with others, his "fellow workers."</p>
<p>Again, the assumption is made that "fellow workers" necessitate an authoritarian position comparable to the apostles.</p>
<p>However, Christians are said to be "God's fellow-workers" (I Corinthians 3:9). Obviously this does not suggest that we possess authority comparable to that of deity! Countless godly ladies have assisted and labored with gospel ministers without ever having become public preachers themselves.</p>
<h2>Was Junia an Apostle?</h2>
<p>It is argued that Junia (KJV), a woman, was an apostle and thus certainly occupied a place of authority in the early church (Romans 16:7).</p>
<p>This is truly a desperate argument. In the first place, in the Greek text, the name is <em>Junian</em> — in the accusative case. The gender of the name is not evident. It could either be Junia (feminine) or, more likely, Junias (masculine), especially since the pronouns modifying the names are masculine. Origen, a scholar of the third century A.D., considered it a reference to a man (Lightfoot 1957, 96).</p>
<p>In the second place, it is by no means certain that Junias is here identified as an "apostle." The phrase translated "of note among the apostles" (ASV) is rendered by Zahn as "famed, mentioned with honor in the circle of the apostles," giving the sense of being well-known by the apostles, rather than actually being an apostle (1953, 418).</p>
<p>But in the third place, the word "apostle" is used occasionally in the scriptures in a nontechnical sense to denote merely a messenger.</p>
<p>Jesus said that "one sent" (<em>apostolos</em>) is not greater than the sender (Jn. 13:16). See also II Corinthians 8:23. The word need not imply one who has dominion over another, nor even a preacher.</p>
<p>No case can be built on Romans 16:7.</p>
<h2>Does "As Also Saith the Law" Authorize Women Preachers Today?</h2>
<p>Some argue that Paul's admonition that women be in subjection is limited by the expression, "<em>as also saith the law</em>" (I Corinthians 14:34). And since the law allowed women prophets (as in the case of Miriam, Huldah, and Anna), and even a prophetess and judge, Deborah, so preaching executives are permissible in the church today.</p>
<p>A careful study of the foregoing cases will reveal that the coveted evidence for women preachers is lacking.</p>
<p>When Miriam prophesied, it was "<em>all the women</em>" that went out after her (Exodus 15:20), and there is no evidence that she publicly preached to men.</p>
<p>Though Huldah was a prophetess, the solitary record of her prophesying involved some men going to her where they communed privately (II Kings 22:14f; II Chronicles 34:22f). It is impossible to find public preaching here.</p>
<p>Anna was a prophetess "<em>who departed not from the temple</em>" (Luke 2:36-38). In describing the temple, Josephus says "there was a partition built for the women" that separated them from the men; this was "the proper place wherein they were to worship." (Wars, 5, 5, 2.)</p>
<p>If Anna instructed men, it was doubtless in private situations. There is no proof that she publicly prophesied to mixed audiences.</p>
<p>Deborah was a prophetess of the hill country of Ephraim, but there is no indication that she publicly proclaimed God's message to the multitudes. Rather, "<em>the children of Israel came to her for judgment</em>" (Judges 4:5). She gave prophetic judgment as a "<em>mother in Israel</em>" (Judges 5:7).</p>
<p>The fact that she judged at all is a dramatic commentary on the spiritual anemia of the Israelites during this period, and Deborah's song laments this woeful condition (Judges 5). This was but one of those occasions where Jehovah accommodated his working to Israel's weaknesses (cf. I Samuel 8:9; Matthew 19:8), and it certainly affords no precedent for the Christian age.</p>
<h2>The Culture Argument</h2>
<p>Some are asserting that Paul's limitations upon women were given in view of the Graeco-Judaistic culture of his day, but they are not binding in our twentieth century where such cultural elements are lacking.</p>
<p>William Barclay wrote regarding I Timothy 2:12:</p>
<blockquote><p>"This is a passage that cannot be read out of its historical context ... All the things in this chapter are mere temporary regulations laid down to meet a given situation" (1960, 76, 78).</p></blockquote>
<p>There are three New Testament contexts where the apostle discusses the distinctive roles of men and women in the church. They are I Corinthians 11:2-16; 14:33b-35; and I Timothy 2:8-15.</p>
<p>A summary of these passages reveals that Paul's inspired reasons for feminine subjection were based upon; the order of creation (I Corinthians 11:7-9; 14:34b; I Timothy 2:13), and woman's deception by Satan (I Timothy 2:14).</p>
<p>"Culture" is not a factor in these contexts.</p>
<p>This is evidenced by the fact that the apostolic regulations concerning woman's roles were universally imposed in the first century (cf. I Corinthians 11:16; 14:33-34), whereas cultural conditions fluctuate from place to place.</p>
<p>When Paul discusses authority within the home in Ephesians 5:22-33, he appeals to Jehovah's creation of Adam and Eve (Genesis 2:24) as the basis for his instruction. In fact, it is clearly evident that the graduation of authority within the home, and within the church, is grounded upon the same facts of sacred history.</p>
<p>Accordingly, if women can demand a place of equal leadership with men in the church, by the same reasoning no wife today would be bound to be in subjection to her husband. Some might delight in this conclusion, but those who fear God will continue to serve the Creator with honor and dignity consistent with divinely assigned roles.</p>
<h2>Neither Male nor Female in Christ</h2>
<p>Several years ago, Roy Lanier, Sr. reviewed an article by Melvin Bobo that took the position that the Greek terms <em>aner</em> and <em>gune</em> (generally rendered "man" and "woman") have been mistranslated in virtually every English version of the New Testament. Bobo alleged that the rendition of these words in such passages as I Corinthians 11:2ff; 14:33-34; I Timothy 2:8ff should be "husband" and "wife" (1984, 229-234). This theory was also argued by Mike Armour (Methvin 1990, 257).</p>
<p>The logical consequence of this position is that there is no male-female order of authority in the church. There is only the authority of the husband-wife relationship. This would mean that a woman may do anything in the church that a man may do — preach, lead prayers, etc., provided her husband is not present. Single women would have no restrictions at all.</p>
<p>The fallacy of the argument is the fact that <em>aner</em> and <em>gune</em> are ordinarily rendered "man" and "woman" and the translation "husband" and "wife" must be demanded by contextual circumstances (e.g., I Corinthians 7:3-4), which factors are not present in the contexts under consideration. An exception is in I Corinthians 14:35, where "their own" indicates that a husband is under consideration.</p>
<p>But the fallacy of Armour's theory is further demonstrated by considering the logical consequence of his argument. Does I Corinthians 11:3 suggest that Christ is the "head" of "husbands" only, thus bachelors are exempt from the headship of Jesus Christ?</p>
<p>Armour does not even consistently stay with his own translation. Occasionally he slips and renders <em>aner</em> and <em>gune</em> as "man" and "woman" himself in the very context he attempts to reinterpret (e.g., I Corinthians 11:2ff). The fact is this argument is baseless.</p>
<h2>Conclusion</h2>
<p>Some in the body of Christ are militantly pushing for a broader role for Christian women in preaching and leadership activities of the church. They no longer respect the authority of the Bible and feel free to adapt the church to their personal preferences or the whims of culture.</p>
<p>Others are assuming a noncommittal stance, at least for the present. One may be assured, however, that when it is politically expedient to do so, they will join the revolution.</p>
<p>Meanwhile, those who respect the authority of the Holy Scriptures will continue to honor women in harmony with the instruction of the New Testament. They will not degrade godly Christian ladies by imposing upon them roles that are not ordained by God.</p>
<h3>References</h3>
<p>Arndt &amp; Gingrich. 1967. Greek-English Lexicon. Chicago: University of Chicago Press.</p>
<p>Barclay, William. 1960. Letters to Timothy, Titus, &amp; Philemon. Philadelphia: Westminster Press.</p>
<p>Cahaba Valley Church of Christ Elders. January 1990. Letter to Cahaba Valley Church of Christ. Birmingham, AL 35242.</p>
<p>Holley, Bobbie Lee. March 1975. "God's Design: Woman's Dignity." Mission.</p>
<p>Lanier, Sr., Roy. 1984. 20 Years of the Problem Page. Vol. 2. Abilene: Quality Publications.</p>
<p>Lenski, R. C. H. 1964. Paul's Epistles to Colossians, Thessalonians, Timothy, Titus &amp; Philemon. Minneapolis: Augsburg.</p>
<p>Lightfoot, J. B. 1957. The Epistle of Paul to the Galatians. Grand Rapids: Zondervan.</p>
<p>Methvin, Paul ed. 1990. 50th Anniversary Yosemite Family Encampment. Nashville: Gospel Advocate.</p>
<p>Moulton &amp; Milligan 1963. The Vocabulary of the Greek Testament. Hodder &amp; Stroughton.</p>
<p>Thayer, J. H. 1958. Greek-English Lexicon. Edinburgh: T. &amp; T. Clark.</p>
<p>Zahn, Theodor. 1953. Introduction to the New Testament. Vol. I. Minneapolis: Klock &amp; Klock.</p>
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<p>I'm getting my fiance to come to a church of Christ from being a Baptist. She had decided to study with me and learn the Word together, but it seems still a little hard to do so.</p>
<p>For one, her mother is always in her ear and to be honest she would be mad if her daughter left the church they both go to. As well, her mother feels she has been called to preach in the church. She has also been to a church before where they had a female minister and found it OK.</p>
<p>Also, she's a liturgical dancer in her church and this is one of the main things that we clash on because she feels she's been called to minister by dance. I'm still trying to understand the liturgical dance, it's really new to me. I tried to explain about instrumental music not being in the church and she still says, "What's the big deal? I don't see why it hurts worship."</p>
<p>I'm trying to figure a way to show her the truth on all these issues without butting heads.</p>
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<p>There are several issues that need to be addressed before you can even approach the dancing issue. First, you need to establish God's authority to have things done His way. Verses such as Ecclesiastes 12:13-14 and Galatians 1:10 tell us that religious practices are not gauged by what pleases the worshiper but by the one who is being worshiped. Your fiance is judging right and wrong based on her own opinion. You have to counter this by not giving your opinion but going back to what God actually said (I Peter 4:11).</p>
<p>Next, you need to establish that the Bible does contain everything that God wants us to know and do. See: <a href="https://www.lavistachurchofchrist.org/cms/is-the-bible-the-only-source-of-authority/">Is the Bible the only source of authority?</a> for an example of proving this. What has to be accepted is that we are not allowed to change what God said. If we did, we would be in authority instead of God.</p>
<p>Then you need to come to terms about rightly dividing God's Word (II Timothy 2:15) between the Old and New Testament. See: <a href="https://www.lavistachurchofchrist.org/cms/why-we-dont-follow-the-old-testament/">Why We Don't Follow the Old Testament</a>.</p>
<p>In all these teachings, don't bring up the other issues. These are foundational points that need to be accepted. They form the common ground where you two can come together in agreement.</p>
<p>If she does accept these points, then you can ask for the scriptural basis for her dancing. If she is doing it as part of worship, then she must believe that God asked for it to be done in the New Testament church. She probably never thought about the scriptural justification for what she does, but if she brings up anything, she will most likely pull passages from the Old Testament. See: <a href="https://www.lavistachurchofchrist.org/cms/is-liturgical-dancing-wrong/">Is liturgical dancing wrong?</a> The simple question is: Is God pleased when men make up their own ways to worship Him?</p>
<p>Instrumental music becomes a similar issue. See: <a href="https://www.lavistachurchofchrist.org/cms/have-i-been-worshiping-in-vain-all-these-years-by-using-instrumental-music-in-worship/">Have I been worshiping in vain all these years by using instrumental music in worship?</a></p>
<p>In regards to women preaching, you merely need to go to I Corinthians 14:34-37 and I Timothy 2:11-15 and ask how a woman can preach in a public assembly and not violate these two commands. See: <a href="https://www.lavistachurchofchrist.org/cms/teaching-unpopular-doctrine/">Teaching Unpopular Doctrine</a></p>
<p>Either you two will come to an agreement over what God said, or she'll dig in her heels, determined to do as she thinks is right. If it is the latter, I would strongly suggest that you consider not marrying her because it will become points of contention throughout your lives.</p>
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<p>I have a question regarding the preaching of a woman in church. Last Sunday my friend told me that in church one woman is leading and also preaching the message. In that meeting, men were also there. I know that according to I Corinthians and I Timothy women should not preach. They asked me, then why are women allowed to singing? They are trying to say that men and women are equal. It is true I also accept that, but can women be allowed to do all things that men can do in church?</p>
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<blockquote><p>"<em>There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither slave nor free, there is neither male nor female; for you are all one in Christ Jesus</em>" (Galatians 3:28).</p></blockquote>
<p>When it comes to salvation, which is the topic in Galatians 3, every person is equal. But it is wrong to extend this to say that equality extends to all roles assigned by God to men and women.</p>
<blockquote><p>"<em>But I want you to know that the head of every man is Christ, the head of woman is man, and the head of Christ is God</em>" (I Corinthians 11:3).</p></blockquote>
<p>In particular, we learn that equality doesn't extend to the realm of leadership. It is because men were given the leadership responsibility that Paul gave this rule:</p>
<blockquote><p>"<em>A woman must quietly receive instruction with entire submissiveness. But I do not allow a woman to teach or exercise authority over a man, but to remain quiet</em>" (I Timothy 2:11-12 NASB).</p></blockquote>
<p>Some translations use the word "silent" instead of "quiet," but that is too strong of a word for what the Greek text is saying. Paul is not forbidding women from speaking, but from taking on a leadership role in the realm of teaching when men are present. This is the reason a woman cannot preach or lead services in any way when men are present.</p>
<p>But this doesn't eliminate participating in service, such as singing along with the rest of the congregation or saying "Amen" at the end of prayers. Such is not exercising leadership; it is joint participation.</p>
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<p>I've been attending the church of Christ. I'm fairly new there. It's almost 30 miles away and there is no other acceptable church that I know of. My concern is with their campus ministry. My husband only recently noticed a flyer in the church hallway announcing a woman as the new Associate Campus Minister. They hold a Wednesday night worship service on the campus for college students and anyone else who would like to attend. I have not been to it yet. I wanted to encourage my brothers to attend since they both miss Sunday worship due to their work schedules. My husband and I always thought that a woman cannot be a minister because they must remain silent in the church. I'm not aware of what she does exactly as 'Associate Campus Minister' as I have not been to the services or study classes. Are they wrong for assigning that title to her? Does it depend on her "job description?" Maybe she just ministers to women. I suppose I can try to find out more, but my question right now is just whether that title or position is wrong for a woman.</p>
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<p>I checked out the link you sent me, and I found several difficulties. One is with the titles in general. "<em>But you, do not be called 'Rabbi'; for One is your Teacher, the Christ, and you are all brethren. Do not call anyone on earth your father; for One is your Father, He who is in heaven. And do not be called teachers; for One is your Teacher, the Christ</em>" (Matthew 23:8-10). The church has elders, deacons, preachers, and teachers; these aren't titles but terms for the duties or roles various play in a congregation. But here I find:</p>
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<li>Associate Campus Minister</li>
<li>Administrative Assistant</li>
<li>Missions Coordinator</li>
<li>Campus Ministry Shepherd</li>
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<p>Groups that feel the need to create titles are not what I find in the Bible.</p>
<p>Then there is the organization. There are statements throughout that says it is under a nearby congregation but it appears to function as a separate group. They have a single elder overseeing the work. It has its own Bible studies and worship assemblies, though it doesn't appear that they have worship on Sundays. Reading through the Spring 2010 newsletter I find that this group has its own treasury and solicits contributions. (I also found that they were pleased to go to Croatia and teach <em>baseball</em> to children.)</p>
<p>Finally, there is the problem of having a woman as the "Associate Campus Minister." The title does not state that her role is limited to women. The web site states clearly that they as a group serve the campus and the community. I Corinthians 14 deals with the worship service and one could argue that this really isn't a church. But the verse to be concerned about is I Timothy 2:11-12, "<em>A woman must quietly receive instruction with entire submissiveness. But I do not allow a woman to teach or exercise authority over a man, but to remain quiet.</em>" The title implies this woman is in a leadership role that places men underneath her. Perhaps that is not how it actually pans out, but you are right to be concerned.</p>
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<p>My husband and I have been having the same concerns with the entire organization. We also don't like that they incorporate the college into their ministry. We believe that such a ministry should be bringing the students into the church apart from the school, not making the school a part of the ministry. I feel that they focus too much on the school and not enough on the church. They get together and go to the football games and things of that sort. I don't feel comfortable when I put money into the offering tray knowing that the church gives money to this organization. Since the church is affiliated with it, is all of this something that should be corrected, and if they don't correct it, is it reason enough to avoid attending that congregation?</p>
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<p>There have been times in my past where I've attended some of the more liberal churches for the simple reason that there was no other available to me. Even then, I did not support the practices that I felt were unscriptural, including sending my contributions to another congregation that I knew spent its money as God authorized. I did what I could, pointed out what the Bible actually said, and eventually moved on. It won't hurt to discuss the issue with the congregation there. My guess is that they will ask you to leave.</p>
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		<title>How can it be possible for God to call me, and thousands of other God-following women to speak in church, yet the Bible seems to say they can&#8217;t?</title>
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<p>Thanks so much for the care and effort that has been put into this web site. It has proved incredibly helpful when I am trying to understand difficult biblical passages.</p>
<p>I started off on the site looking at the information on <a href="https://lavistachurchofchrist.org/cms/tag/heaven/">Heaven</a> and <a href="https://lavistachurchofchrist.org/cms/tag/hell/">Hell</a> and eventually ended up looking at the information about the <a href="https://lavistachurchofchrist.org/cms/tag/womens-roles/">role of women</a> and whether they should preach or teach or not. I understand what is being said here, but find it very difficult to accept. I know God challenges us, and that we are often called to walk a harder path, but I seriously believe that God is calling me (a woman) to be a church leader.</p>
<p>I have preached in church before, and am a leader of a youth group in my church. God gives me words to say, and from what people have said, they have been touched by what God says through me. I have battled personally with accepting this calling, but for other selfish reasons not my gender, but God has sent people, and passages of Scripture which strongly have told me that this is my purpose, my calling.</p>
<p>Yet, your teaching (which is excellently presented, and very persuasive!) suggests that this is wrong. Women should not speak in church.</p>
<p>Furthermore, my current church leaders are a couple. Both the man and women are inspired by God, and their teaching is helpful and powerful. All my Christian life I have been taught by female church leaders, who have been influential in supporting my spiritual growth.</p>
<p>Please explain to me, without repeating what has been said before, how it can be possible for God to call me, and thousands of other God-following women to speak in church, and for God to use them powerfully. Furthermore, the verse Galatians 3:28, strongly shows how in God, all are equal. Is this a case of, all are equal, but women are more equal than others?</p>
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<blockquote><p>"<em>For as many of you as were baptized into Christ have put on Christ. There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither slave nor free, there is neither male nor female; for you are all one in Christ Jesus. And if you are Christ's, then you are Abraham's seed, and heirs according to the promise.</em>" (Galatians 3:28).</p>
<p>"<em>Do not lie to one another, since you have put off the old man with his deeds, and have put on the new man who is renewed in knowledge according to the image of Him who created him, where there is neither Greek nor Jew, circumcised nor uncircumcised, barbarian, Scythian, slave nor free, but Christ is all and in all</em>" (Colossians 3:9-11).</p>
<p>"<em>Husbands, likewise, dwell with them with understanding, giving honor to the wife, as to the weaker vessel, and as being heirs together of the grace of life, that your prayers may not be hindered</em>" (I Peter 3:7).</p></blockquote>
<p>You assume that because Paul says all Christians are one in Christ that therefore there are no differences in the duties given. But the point being made in the Scriptures is that men and women are equally saved in Christ. They are joint heirs of the promise of salvation.</p>
<p>Several times Paul points out that though each Christian is a part of the one body, it doesn't mean they all function the same -- just as the different parts of your body do not function in the same way.</p>
<blockquote><p>"<em>For I say, through the grace given to me, to everyone who is among you, not to think of himself more highly than he ought to think, but to think soberly, as God has dealt to each one a measure of faith. For as we have many members in one body, but all the members do not have the same function, so we, being many, are one body in Christ, and individually members of one another. Having then gifts differing according to the grace that is given to us, let us use them: if prophecy, let us prophesy in proportion to our faith; or ministry, let us use it in our ministering; he who teaches, in teaching; he who exhorts, in exhortation; he who gives, with liberality; he who leads, with diligence; he who shows mercy, with cheerfulness</em>" (Romans 12:3-8).</p>
<p>"<em>There are differences of ministries, but the same Lord. And there are diversities of activities, but it is the same God who works all in all</em>" (I Corinthians 12:5-6).</p>
<p>"<em>For as the body is one and has many members, but all the members of that one body, being many, are one body, so also is Christ. For by one Spirit we were all baptized into one body--whether Jews or Greeks, whether slaves or free--and have all been made to drink into one Spirit.</em></p>
<p><em>For in fact the body is not one member but many. If the foot should say, "Because I am not a hand, I am not of the body," is it therefore not of the body? And if the ear should say, "Because I am not an eye, I am not of the body," is it therefore not of the body? If the whole body were an eye, where would be the hearing? If the whole were hearing, where would be the smelling?</em></p>
<p><em>But now God has set the members, each one of them, in the body just as He pleased.</em></p>
<p><em>And if they were all one member, where would the body be? But now indeed there are many members, yet one body. And the eye cannot say to the hand, "I have no need of you"; nor again the head to the feet, "I have no need of you." No, much rather, those members of the body which seem to be weaker are necessary. And those members of the body which we think to be less honorable, on these we bestow greater honor; and our unpresentable parts have greater modesty, but our presentable parts have no need. </em><em>But God composed the body, having given greater honor to that part which lacks it, that there should be no schism in the body, but that the members should have the same care for one another</em>" (I Corinthians 12:12-25).</p></blockquote>
<p>Let's emphasize verse 18 again, "<em>But now God has set the members, each one of them, in the body just as He pleased</em>" (I Corinthians 12:18). The different roles different people perform in the church are established by God. Thus, we find in the chapter just before this one that Paul points out: "<em>Now I praise you, brethren, that you remember me in all things and keep the traditions just as I delivered them to you. But I want you to know that the head of every man is Christ, the head of woman is man, and the head of Christ is God</em>" (I Corinthians 11:2-3). That was the order God laid out. Not you or I. Therefore, when you claim that God is calling you to lead, I know that this isn't the truth because "<em>God is not a man, that He should lie, nor a son of man, that He should repent</em>" (Numbers 23:19). Paul, by the proven inspiration of God, stated, "<em>But I do not allow a woman to teach or exercise authority over a man, but to remain quiet</em>" (I Timothy 2:12). You, but a vague claim of feelings say that God wants you in a position of authority. Now, who should I or anyone else believe?</p>
<p>It doesn't matter if you violated God's law in the past or that you decided by your own standard that you benefited from other women not adhering to the will of God. Neither of these proves that this is what God requires in His religion. "<em>Let your women keep silent in the churches, for they are not permitted to speak; but they are to be submissive, as the law also says. And if they want to learn something, let them ask their own husbands at home; for it is shameful for women to speak in church. Or did the word of God come originally from you? Or was it you only that it reached? If anyone thinks himself to be a prophet or spiritual, let him acknowledge that the things which I write to you are the commandments of the Lord</em>" (I Corinthians 14:34-37). The Lord doesn't allow much leeway in this command. Yet you are telling me that you are being "led" in a direction opposite of the Lord's command and I'm supposed to accept that this is from God?</p>
<p>Actually, it is clear to me that you are putting your own wants and desires ahead of God's commands. You then use terms vaguely hinting that you are being led by God, though you can't justify your actions by what God has said, as "proof" that you are an obedient child of God. It reminds me of the mother who after mopping the kitchen floor called out the door for the children to stay out for a while. The next thing she knew her four-year-old was standing in the middle of the kitchen. "What are you doing here?" she asked. "You told me to come in," said the little girl. "Did I? I don't recall saying that. What did I say?" And the little girl admitted, "You said to stay out. But I wanted to come in to find out why." You're much like that four-year-old.</p>
<blockquote><p>"<em>Jesus answered and said to him, "If anyone loves Me, he will keep My word; and My Father will love him, and We will come to him and make Our home with him. He who does not love Me does not keep My words; and the word which you hear is not Mine but the Father's who sent Me</em>" (John 14:23-24).</p></blockquote>
<p>Instead of ignoring God's teachings, or searching for loopholes to go your own way, why not accept that God has duties for you to apply your talents. They don't involve being a leader in the church or standing in front of the church to deliver a lesson, but there is teaching to be done for other women (Titus 2:3-5) and for children (I Timothy 2:15). There are people in the world who need to be taught about Christ on an individual basis and individuals who need encouragement to follow God more accurately (Acts 18:26). There are services that need to be done for the church (Romans 16:1-3). It is so sad when there is so much to be done and you find a Christian pouting because the work assigned isn't what she wants to do.</p>
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