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		<title>A Foolish Consistency</title>
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					<description><![CDATA[by Ken Green When I first began preaching, I was enamored by religious debates. They were declining in popularity, but there were still a few taking place. They are now extremely rare. Some debates were transcribed and published and I read all of them that I could find. I eventually participated in a number of&#8230;]]></description>
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	<p style="text-align: right;">by Ken Green</p>
<p>When I first began preaching, I was enamored by religious debates. They were declining in popularity, but there were still a few taking place. They are now extremely rare. Some debates were transcribed and published and I read all of them that I could find. I eventually participated in a number of debates and always thought I did a fair job though it often irritated me that my fellow disputants and their supporters never seemed to realize how soundly they had been thrashed.</p>
<p>One debate tactic that often comes into play is pointing out inconsistencies in the opponent's position or practice. It is contrary to the generally accepted rules of honorable controversy to charge one with a position that he disavows; though this rule has often been ignored. But it is acceptable to point out perceived inconsistencies and to observe where a line of argument may lead if consistently applied.</p>
<p>One of the favorite debate quotes in reference to such is: "Consistency, thou art a jewel!" Often, Shakespeare is cited as the source of this satiric rejoinder. I have not been able to find this statement in his works. Shakespeare is falsely accused of saying almost as many things as the Bible.</p>
<p>Let's admit it! Consistency is a hard thing to maintain, and we run a good chance of getting goofy if we work at it consistently. I think that's what led the Pharisees to their extremes. For example, the Law simply said to keep the Sabbath holy and to do no work on that day. The Jews were left to determine what constitutes work. Over the centuries, volume-after-volume was composed by scholarly rabbis defining ever more minutely what activities constitute a violation of the command. Loopholes were blocked. Arguments refined. How much may a person lift without working? Fifty pounds? Ten pounds? Where do we draw the line? Doesn't consistency demand that if a seamstress picks up her needle, this constitutes work?</p>
<p>If harvesting and threshing is work, then to pick some grain and eat it as one strolls through a field is work (Matthew 12:1-8). Doesn't consistency demand it? The commandment says the beasts are not to work on the Sabbath (Exodus 20:10). We can't stop the hens from laying eggs, but certainly, we must not have fellowship with them in such flagrant disrespect for that holy day; hence the rule that an egg laid on the Sabbath is not to be eaten. Consistent? You bet. Silly? Absolutely!</p>
<p>Let's bring it home. In the 50s and 60s when the controversy arose over the church support of human institutions and sponsoring churches, a number of other issues soon followed which added to the widening gulf between "conservative" and "liberal" congregations. Criticism was especially voiced as many churches added kitchens and dining facilities and later, gymnasiums to their buildings.</p>
<p>Then, entertainment became a feature. Church bulletins that advertised greased pig chases, acrobatics for Christ and athletic teams were quoted, sometimes with glee, as evidence of apostasy in progress, I believe the principle we stood on is a valid one: The mission of the church is spiritual; we should be more concerned with feeding and exercising our souls than our bodies; we have houses to eat and drink in; the calling card of the church must be the cross of Jesus, not making merry.</p>
<p>But to be consistent! That is the hard thing! Many brethren have decided that it is absolutely wrong to eat in the church building. And to think of teachers bringing juice and cookies—horror of horrors—and giving the little ones a break during a VBS class—well, that has to be a terrible sin. After all, we must be consistent.</p>
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<p>A brother told me that several had come together to do some work on a church building. He was rebuked when he sat down and began to eat a lunch he had brought. "You'd better take that out in the parking lot!" he was ordered; which he did. Now think about it. Isn't the parking lot, as well as the building, paid for with the funds of the church? Besides, didn't Paul eat in the place of worship (Acts 20:11). Isn't that an approved apostolic example? It seems that we don't quite know what to do with that one.</p>
<p>It's really hard to be consistent without getting goofy. At a congregation where I used to preach, some became concerned about people using the church parking lot during the week and walking across to a little grocery. "We need to erect a gate," they demanded. "This is the misuse of church property!" It was observed by some that the parking facilities of the store were often used by those attending church on Sunday mornings. Fortunately, I think, level heads prevailed in this matter.</p>
<p>One brother told me of his outrage when the city officials asked permission to use their church building as an emergency shelter or refuge in the unlikely event of a calamity and permission was declined. In exasperation, he excitedly described bodies lying about and emergency vehicles arriving, "and we won't unlock the doors of the church building!" he cried. I'm happy to say that the decision was reversed, but we may be sure that some didn't like it.</p>
<p>What constitutes entertainment? I know congregations that won't permit an overhead projector. Don't even think of PowerPoint. But a chalkboard is fine. I recall a brother bemoaning "picture shows in the church” when a missionary did a slide presentation. Some are critical of skits and puppet shows at a VBS. A few years ago a visitor asked me where the Bible authority is for kids clapping their hands and stamping their feet with some of the songs. I must admit that my reply probably left something to be desired. “I guess it's in the same place that authorizes VBS,” I said. “That’s what you do in VBS.” Probably the real problem is doing such in "the sanctuary." I know we don't use the word, but we tend to hang onto the idea.</p>
<p>And why is it okay to use a workbook or a film strip or DVD as a means of teaching the Bible and wrong to use the dramatization of a Bible story?</p>
<p>I can't find the word "consistency" in the Bible and for those few who may care, Shakespeare didn't have anything to say about it either. But, for what it’s worth, Ralph Waldo Emerson did. He said, "A foolish consistency is the hobgoblin of little minds, adored by little statesmen and philosophers and divines."</p>
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		<title>Is it wrong to bring coffee to services?</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Jul 2019 01:50:22 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Question: First off, I’d like to thank you for your dedication to presenting the valuable information available on this website. I know that God will continue to bless your efforts. As for my question, it’s sort of an offshoot of the use of the building and eating in the building. I’ve been studying various topics with&#8230;]]></description>
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<p>First off, I’d like to thank you for your dedication to presenting the valuable information available on this website. I know that God will continue to bless your efforts.</p>
<p>As for my question, it’s sort of an offshoot of the use of the building and eating in the building. I’ve been studying various topics with my nephew, and recently he asked (without an agenda – he just wants a real answer) why it is wrong to bring in a cup of coffee to the class before the worship service? He was doing just that a few years back when one of the members told him it was a violation of Paul’s command to eat meals in a non-co-located time and place with the gathering of the saints for study and worship (I Corinthians 11:34). I agreed with that, but then my nephew said, “but I don’t see how it’s any different than the bottles of water we have in the foyer.” Uh...well, after sputtering out something about this possibly being a difference between expedient aids (water?) and items more commonly understood as enjoyable “food and drink,” I apologized and admitted that we both needed more study on the topic.</p>
<p>Can you possibly point me toward the guiding principle in this particular issue? Again, thank you for what you’re doing.</p>
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	<h2>Answer:</h2>
<p>The discussion regarding eating as a church activity has become one where people over the years have lost sight of the true issues. Catchphrases have taken the place of reason and people uphold traditions rather than going back to the Scriptures. Therefore, before we get to your specific question, it is best that we first understand why Paul said that meals don't belong in the assembly. See: <a href="https://www.lavistachurchofchrist.org/cms/kitchens-and-fellowship-halls-what-was-the-issue/">Kitchens and Fellowship Halls: What Was the Issue?</a></p>
<p>Typically the reason to discourage bringing drinks, such as coffee and soda, is because accidents happen and cleaning up spilled drinks is difficult. Water is much easier to deal with. That people confuse practicality with the actual issues is understandable.</p>
<p>An issue that arose during the first century was whether meat that might have been from an offering to an idol could be eaten by Christians. While there was nothing wrong with buying and consuming meat found in the marketplace, Paul observed, "<em>Therefore, if food makes my brother stumble, I will never again eat meat, lest I make my brother stumble</em>" (I Corinthians 8:13). Thus, if a brother thinks drinking coffee at a Bible study is wrong, then the best choice is to not bring coffee and bother the brother.</p>
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		<title>Will Bagels and Coffee Improve Our Worship?</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Jeffrey Hamilton]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 18 Jul 2019 16:38:37 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[by Ken Weliever “During our years of church planting, we tried to change people’s perceptions about what the Sunday worship would look like,” wrote Michelle Lazurek, in a recent Crosswalk.com article. “We took out pews and replaced them with pub tables and chairs, added lights and a stage and most importantly,” the award-winning author and&#8230;]]></description>
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	<p style="text-align: right;">by Ken Weliever</p>
<p><a href="https://www.lavistachurchofchrist.org/cms/wp-content/uploads/2019/07/Coffee-and-Bagel.jpg"><img loading="lazy" decoding="async" class="alignright size-medium wp-image-5924" src="https://www.lavistachurchofchrist.org/cms/wp-content/uploads/2019/07/Coffee-and-Bagel-300x210.jpg" alt="" width="300" height="210" srcset="https://www.lavistachurchofchrist.org/cms/wp-content/uploads/2019/07/Coffee-and-Bagel-300x210.jpg 300w, https://www.lavistachurchofchrist.org/cms/wp-content/uploads/2019/07/Coffee-and-Bagel-768x538.jpg 768w, https://www.lavistachurchofchrist.org/cms/wp-content/uploads/2019/07/Coffee-and-Bagel.jpg 1024w" sizes="auto, (max-width: 300px) 100vw, 300px" /></a>“During our years of church planting, we tried to change people’s perceptions about what the Sunday worship would look like,” wrote Michelle Lazurek, in a recent Crosswalk.com article. “We took out pews and replaced them with pub tables and chairs, added lights and a stage and most importantly,” the award-winning author and preacher’s wife said, “(we) added a breakfast bar where people could grab bagels and other breakfast foods and coffee during the service.” Lazurek admitted, “Not everyone loved these changes.”</p>
<p>Some of the reasons she shared why they added breakfast to worship included “it brings us closer to each other. And, of course, “it brings us closer to God.” Also, she said, “it increases the church’s level of hospitality.” And, “it creates opportunities for people to use their gifts for God.”</p>
<p>It’s amazing the ideas and innovations that church growth experts employ to prod people to attend church. Of course, the 1,000-word article failed to contain any scripture to justify the addition of a breakfast bar.</p>
<p>Disrespect and desecration of the worship service is nothing new. It was a problem that Paul addressed in his letter to the Corinthians. He said there were divisions among them. The factious spirit among Believers had spilled over into their worship. He said their assembly, was “not for the better but for the worse.”</p>
<p>One of the specific issues he mentioned was turning the Lord’s Supper into a common meal. “<em>When you come together, it is not the Lord’s supper that you eat. For in eating, each one goes ahead with his own meal. One goes hungry, another gets drunk. </em><em>What! Do you not have houses to eat and drink in? Or do you despise the church of God and humiliate those who have nothing? What shall I say to you? Shall I commend you in this? No, I will not.</em>”</p>
<p>Following this, Paul restated the purpose of the Lord’s supper. It is a time to remember Christ. To remember his broken body hanging on the cross as we eat the bread. To remember his shed blood as we drink the fruit of the vine. To remember the new covenant He established. To remember who we are. Why we serve Him. And what the service means to us personally and as a witness to the world. It “<em>proclaims the Lord’s death until He comes again.</em>” (1 Cor. 11:17-26).</p>
<p>Here are a few thoughts that might help us improve our worship without adding a breakfast bar.</p>
<h3>Remember we come together in a special way to worship God.</h3>
<p>Sure, we can praise God and pray to Him anytime. Anywhere. But the Bible teaches that we are “<em>to come together as a church</em>” (I Corinthians 11:18). Jesus told the Samaritan woman that the Father is seeking true worshipers to worship Him. (John 4:21-24).</p>
<p>Several years ago a preaching colleague of mine, the late Bill Feist offered this warning and reminder regarding worship:</p>
<blockquote><p>“It is time for us to remember in the midst of a self-indulgent period of our nation that our primary purpose in gathering together is not to please ourselves; or because it is psychologically sound for us to do so; or that it supports the family structure; or that it partakes of traditional family values (though all of these things may be by-products of our gathering together).”</p></blockquote>
<p>Then Bill emphatically stated, “Our purpose in gathering together is to prostrate ourselves before the Almighty God of heaven and pay Him homage."</p>
<h3>Worship to God contains two important elements.</h3>
<p>Jesus said, “<em>God is Spirit, and those who worship Him must worship in spirit and truth</em>” (John 4:24).</p>
<p>Worship must be accurate, according to God’s Word, which is truth (John 17:17). In reading the New Testament I find the disciples assembled to take communion, hear the Word of God, contribute into the common treasury, pray. and sing praises to God (Acts 20:7; I Corinthians 16:1-2; Hebrews 2:12; I Corinthians 14:15). Regardless of the term you use to describe these expressions of worship, it is apparent they are according to Truth.</p>
<p>Worship must be authentic, genuine, and that emanates from within. It is should be heart-felt, spirited, and enthusiastic. It is not a time of mere ritual, but fervent and sincere praise to our Creator.</p>
<h3>Worship should edify other believers.</h3>
<p>Regarding the Sunday assembly, Paul wrote, “<em>All things are to be done for the edifying of the Body</em>” (I Corinthians 14:26). In worship, we exhort one another. Motivate one another. Inspire one another. We “<em>stimulate one another to love and good works"</em> (Hebrews 10:24).</p>
<p>Most Christian living is done outside the assembly. Not everything is collective. Hospitality, for instance, is an individual command (I Peter 4:9-10). The church can’t do it for me by offering a breakfast bar.</p>
<p>My individual gifts are demonstrated most often in my daily interactions with fellow Christians as well as non-Christians: being merciful, doing good, sharing my resources, offering encouragement, and ministering “to the least of these.”</p>
<p>Improved lighting, comfortable seats, and a hot cup of coffee may make us feel cozy but will do little to stir our hearts, awaken our conscience, and challenge our thinking. The power to convince and convict sinners is in the gospel of Christ (Romans 1:16), not bagels and coffee.</p>
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		<title>Does I Corinthian 11:33 allow fellowship meals at the church building?</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 11 Jul 2019 23:56:15 +0000</pubDate>
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<div dir="ltr" data-setdir="false"><span style="font-size: medium;">I read your answer to <a href="https://www.lavistachurchofchrist.org/cms/why-is-eating-in-the-building-an-issue/">Why is eating in the building an issue?</a> concerning eating in the building and have a few questions.</span></div>
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<div dir="ltr" data-setdir="false"><span style="font-size: medium;">First, you quote I Corinthians 11:17-22 where Paul is remonstrating the Corinthians for leaving some hungry and for some getting drunk asking, "Don't you have homes to eat and drink in?" (I Corinthians 11:22). But everyone with whom I've spoken concerning this issue seems to neglect I Corinthians 11:33, "So then, my brothers and sisters, when you gather to eat, you should all eat together." I have to ask, "When you gather where? In the home or the building being used for the gathering of the saints?"</span></div>
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<div dir="ltr" data-setdir="false"><span style="font-size: medium;">Next, you mentioned the Lord's money being spent on building a fellowship hall. What should be done with existing halls that have been part of the building for years and years? The Lord's money has already been spent and to tear ours down, we would have to demolish the entire building including the auditorium, classrooms, restrooms, and kitchen as everything is part of one large building. Granted, in our situation, money is spent on consumables such as paper plates, cups, utensils, and paper towels but also soap, air freshener and toilet paper for the restrooms (when all the above isn't donated by various members, which also occurs on a relatively regular basis).</span></div>
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<div dir="ltr" data-setdir="false"><span style="font-size: medium;">I bring this up because we have a young man who started to attend our worship service a few  months ago, and this past Sunday, he let us know that he felt very uncomfortable with the recent fifth Sunday fellowship meal as he'd been raised in a congregation which did not have a fellowship hall and kitchen as part of the building or a part of the complex. When his congregation had a fellowship meal, it was off-site, usually at a local restaurant but occasionally at a rented facility (I did not ask if the Lord's money was spent to rent such a venue).</span></div>
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<div dir="ltr" data-setdir="false"><span style="font-size: medium;">We don't have elders, deacons or ordained ministers. We're extremely small and have two part-time lay ministers. This young man wishes to meet with us concerning our practice. Just to give more information, we also use our fellowship hall for Wednesday night Bible study and allow the Girl Scouts, a local art club, and the VFW Women's Auxiliary to use the hall for their weekly meetings. We also use the fellowship hall for monthly get-togethers where we work on puzzles together and play games such as dominoes. Further, we've used the fellowship hall to collect and hand out fans in the summer and coats in the winter to the poor in our community and for a time ran a Mothers' Day Out program for the community.</span></div>
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<div dir="ltr" data-setdir="false"><span style="font-size: medium;">I feel I've rambled enough to probably confuse you greatly (lol), but I would honestly like hear your wisdom and any guidance you might offer concerning my "questions and concerns."</span></div>
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<p>There are two meals under discussion in I Corinthians 11: common meals, which should be taken at home, and the Lord's Supper, which is to be taken by Christians assembled together. <a href="https://www.lavistachurchofchrist.org/cms/does-i-corinthian-1133-allow-fellowship-meals-at-the-church-building/">Were the Corinthians having a potluck instead of partaking of the Lord’s Supper?</a> covers the distinction between the two types of meals. I Corinthians 11:33 is talking about the Lord's Supper because it was to be taken when they come together (I Corinthians 11:20-22). It is contrasted with a common meal in the next verse, which was to be eaten at home (I Corinthians 11:34).</p>
<p>The idea that because space was being used for things the Lord did not authorize, that it should continue does not make sense. It is like the couple who argue that since they have already moved in together before marriage, they might as well stay there. Changing a hall into additional classroom space is not that difficult of a construction job. It does not require tearing down everything.</p>
<p>The fact that the church allows groups to use the building purchased with the Lord's money -- groups that have nothing to do with spreading the gospel -- only shows how the group considers the Lord's money to be their own. That money was not applied for a holy purpose. It was common, worldly matters. See: <a href="https://www.lavistachurchofchrist.org/cms/bible-studies/the-lord-your-god-is-an-awesome-god/holy-is-his-name/">Holy is His Name</a> and <a href="https://www.lavistachurchofchrist.org/cms/bible-studies/the-lord-your-god-is-an-awesome-god/regarding-god-as-holy/">Regarding God as Holy</a>.</p>
<p>Perhaps another article will help clarify the issues for you. See: <a href="https://www.lavistachurchofchrist.org/cms/kitchens-and-fellowship-halls-what-was-the-issue/">Kitchens and Fellowship Halls: What Was the Issue?</a></p>
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<p align="right">by Bill Hall</p>
<p align="left">I don't know how to thank you enough for the opportunity to come and deliver these lessons on these Sunday afternoons. It has been a very challenging experience for me, and I hope the lessons have been challenging for you. To see the number of people who have come each Sunday afternoon to visit with us, to listen to these lessons, and to study them and consider them has been an encouragement to me. Thank you so much for this opportunity.</p>
<p align="left">We are on our third of these lessons. Two weeks ago we talked about <a href="https://www.lavistachurchofchrist.org/cms/church-supported-orphans-homes-what-was-the-issue/">the question of the orphan's home</a>, what was the issue? And then last Sunday, <a href="https://www.lavistachurchofchrist.org/cms/the-sponsoring-church-arrangement-what-was-the-issue/">the sponsoring church</a>. We included in that study questions concerning the Herald of Truth and the more recent "One Nation Under God" campaign. What was the issue?</p>
<p align="left">This one is a little different in some ways from the other two in that this one has gained acceptance for the most part in my own lifetime and in my own memory. There were church-supported orphan's homes when I was born. There weren't many of them, but there were a few. There were some sponsoring church arrangements when I was born. They occurred on a rather small scale, but they existed then. But the general acceptance of dining areas and kitchens in the buildings owned by churches of Christ has come, not only within my lifetime but within my memory.</p>
<p align="left">In 1947, M. Norvel Young, on the lectureship in Abilene, encouraged churches to build new buildings, to build them in good locations, and to include in their buildings, among many other things, a large fellowship room and cooking facilities that would be near this large fellowship room. He followed that up with some articles in some of the papers that were circulated, lending his encouragement to the idea of building fellowship halls and kitchens. Now, that didn't catch on very well. I remember when I was in high school, one of the churches in the city where we lived built an addition on their building, and indeed, they put in it a place for eating. But they felt a little pressure about this and defensively said, "We're also going to have a Bible class in this room." That's the way they excused themselves. But they felt pressure in doing that. And I just couldn't believe that a church of Christ would do that.</p>
<p align="left">In 1954, I went to school in Montgomery. I attended meetings in churches all around Montgomery. To my knowledge, there was not a church in Montgomery in 1954 that had a fellowship hall and kitchen in its building. Now, such might have existed, but I didn't know it if it did. For a number of years while I was in college and after I graduated from college, I would indiscriminately either lead singing in meetings or preach in meetings for churches that supported institutions. I was not aware of it if any of these churches had a fellowship hall and kitchen in its building. Few churches had them in those days. But toward the end of the '60s and on into the '70s, churches that planned new buildings would include a fellowship room and kitchen in their plans. It became an accepted practice. But that is something relatively new among churches of Christ, and I think many people are not aware of that.</p>
<p align="left">Now we raise the question, what was the issue? On what basis did many object to this practice?</p>
<h2 align="left">What Was Not The Issue?</h2>
<p align="left">Let's, first of all, ask the question: What was not the issue? The issue never was whether one could eat something in a building owned by the church. There were people who said, "Why, if these people are right, a mother couldn't even give her baby a bottle of milk in the building." Well, of course, we never said anything like that. That was never the issue.</p>
<p align="left">Second, the issue was not whether or not the building is sacred. Now, I'm not sure how we are using that word "sacred". The building is certainly built to be used for spiritual purposes. If it is not to be used for spiritual purposes, then it has no right to exist in the first place. But at the same time, if we're talking about the brick and mortar, the roof, the carpet, and other materials that go into the building - No, they are not sacred. That was never the issue.</p>
<p align="left">Let me say again, that when differences arise, and it doesn't matter whether it's over these things that we've been talking about, or over divorce and remarriage, or whatever, one of our problems is we don't listen to one another. We either already have our minds made up, or we are thinking about what we are going to say next, or how we're going to answer this person, that we really don't listen. And consequently, a lot of times, we try to answer an argument before we even know the argument. We try to answer an issue before we even know what the issue is. And we make a very sad mistake. I may have been guilty of that. Any of us may have been. But we need to listen to one another.</p>
<h2 align="left">What Was The Issue?</h2>
<p align="left">What was the issue? Well, here basically is what the issue was: Is there New Testament authority for the local church to plan and provide materially for social activities in its program of work? There's the issue. Let's read it again. Is there New Testament authority for the local church to plan and provide materially for social activities in its program of work? Now there's the issue.</p>
<p align="left">I want to emphasize what we have emphasized throughout this series of lessons: Is there New Testament authority? Is there authority for that institutional board that stands between the churches and their work with the institutional board taking the oversight of the work for the churches? That was our question two weeks ago. Is there authority for one eldership to take the oversight of the work of a thousand churches? That was our question last week. We keep coming to the question of authority.</p>
<p align="left">We've quoted all these Sundays II Timothy 3:16-17: "<em>All Scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness, that the man of God may be complete, thoroughly equipped for every good work.</em>" If it is a good work, you're going to find the authority in the Scriptures. If you cannot find the authority in the Scriptures, it's not a good work no matter how good it looks to us.</p>
<p align="left">Consider Colossians 3:17, which we have just sung: "<em>And whatever you do in word or deed, do all in the name of the Lord Jesus.</em>" But you can't do anything in someone's name unless that person has authorized it. II John 9, "<em>Whoever transgresses and does not abide in the doctrine of Christ does not have God. He who abides in the doctrine of Christ has both the Father and the Son.</em>" Is it in the doctrine of Christ? Can we do it in the name of Jesus? Is it authorized by the Scriptures? Those are the questions that we must constantly ask.</p>
<p align="left">I have before me a list of activities that brother Franklin T. Puckett gave in the Arlington meeting concerning what a local church, a local congregation, ought to do. And I've just borrowed that. I have looked over it and agree with it, and I don't know of anything else myself that a local church is to do. Let me just give you some of the things that a local church is authorized to do.</p>
<p align="left">He says, first of all, to have an assembly of the saints. And he gives us a Scripture, Hebrews 10:24 and 25. I might add Acts 20:7. The local church is to provide an assembly for the saints. Now, in keeping with that, the Pepper Road church has a comfortable and commodious building. Where is the authority for this in which we're sitting right here today? Well, it is in the fact that the church is to arrange for assemblies of Christians.</p>
<p align="left">Then he says, number two: In such an assembly, the saints are to observe the Lord's Supper on the first day of the week; Acts 20:7, I Corinthians 11:33. All right, in keeping with that, the church here has provided a table, bread plates, a tray with glasses, and buys bread and fruit of the vine. Why? Because that's one of the things that the church is to do.</p>
<p align="left">Number three: They are to sing psalms unto the Lord and with spiritual songs teach and admonish one another; I Corinthians 14:23, Ephesians 5:19, Colossians 3:16. All right, in keeping with that, the church here has furnished songbooks. Where's the authority for the songbooks? We answer: One of the things the church is to do is to arrange for singing. They arrange for Tony to lead the singing. Where's the authority for that? The church here is providing for singing.</p>
<p align="left">Number four: They are to pray together.</p>
<p align="left">Number five: They are to preach and attend to the teaching of God's word; Acts 20:7; I Corinthians 14:26. In keeping with that, a pulpit is provided and an overhead projector as an aid for our teaching. There is a board here and a public address system. What's that for? To enable us to efficiently teach the word. Over on this other side, there are some classrooms with various types of equipment there to help in the teaching of the word. Where is the authority for these classrooms? It's in the fact that the church is to provide for the teaching of the word, and so this church has furnished an auditorium that is comfortable and commodious and classrooms where the teaching of the word can take place.</p>
<p align="left">Number six: They are to lay by in store on the first day of the week as they have been prospered to finance their collective responsibilities; I Corinthians 16:2. I don't see them, but somewhere around here, I guarantee you there's a hat or something that can be passed around to collect some money. Where's the authority? It is the command to give of our means.</p>
<p align="left">Number seven: They are to support the preaching of the gospel. I suspect you've got a treasury, and you not only support Bruce, but you also support men in other places. I think I know some of them that you support. Where's the authority for that? Well, that's exactly what the church is to be doing.</p>
<p align="left">Number eight: They are to provide for the fulfillment of needs of certain destitute saints; Acts 4:34, 35; II Corinthians, chapters 8, 9 -- we went through all those two weeks ago. And we made the point two weeks ago that in keeping with the care of destitute saints, the church, under the oversight of its elders -- let me emphasize that -- the church under the oversight of its elders, could buy a house, pay somebody to supervise, buy groceries. Where would the authority for that be? It is in the command to care for the destitute saints. Now, they wouldn't send it to a board of directors, who in turn would take the oversight, but under the oversight of the elders, they could furnish such things. Are you getting the point? When we see what the Lord has authorized the church to do, then that gives us the authority for providing whatever is needful for the efficient carrying out of what God has told the church to do.</p>
<p align="left">Now, if we could just find the Scripture where the church is to plan and provide materially for social activities, then, in this building, we need to provide a room for eating together with a kitchen nearby. How did Norvel Young say that? A large fellowship room with cooking facilities near this room in order to facilitate this particular activity. But if the authority is not there for this activity, then the authority is not there for building the nice fellowship room and the kitchen to go with it. There's the problem. So in order to have our kitchen, and in order to have the large fellowship room, what we've got to find is the authority for the local church to plan and provide materially for social activities in its program of work. That's what we've got to find. The issue is simply this: Do we add a ninth activity to the eight we have just listed, the ninth being that the local church is to plan and provide materially for social activities? If so, we have authority for kitchens and dining areas. If not, there is no authority for them.</p>
<h2 align="left">The Water Cooler</h2>
<p align="left">Well, somebody says, "Surely somebody came up with some arguments that would favor that." Yes, that's right. Now let me just say that, as far as I'm concerned, at least the first argument should never have been taken seriously. But some tried to compare the fellowship halls and the kitchens with a water fountain. Those of us who were living back at that time will remember an article, and it was circulated widely, on "Willie the Water Cooler". Does anybody remember "Willie the Water Cooler"? It was a satire type of thing. Willie the Water Cooler in this article was getting very concerned because Willie had learned that some of the people thought it was wrong to eat in the church building, and if some of the people thought it was wrong to eat in the church building, they might decide it was wrong to drink in the church building, and therefore, Willie, the Water Cooler might be moved out of the church building. That was the argument they made. They missed the point.</p>
<p align="left">The point is not whether we can drink some water in the church building. The point is: Can we plan and provide materially for social activities as a program of the local church's work? Lynn Headrick, my brother-in-law, who, of course, passed away a little over a year ago, made a very astute observation when he said, "When we find the church planning social activities around the water cooler, then we'll take the water cooler out." Now that gets right to the issue.</p>
<p align="left">May I make another point with you: Nothing is right (and let me make sure we say this right) -- nothing is right because it is consistent with something we're already doing. A thing is right or wrong on the basis of whether it agrees with this book. Do you know how churches get into apostasy? They don't go into apostasy in one giant leap. They take just a little step, sometimes it's only a half step, in the wrong direction. And then the first thing you know, they get to thinking, "Well, I don't see any difference in that and this." And so they take another step. "And I don't see anything different about this and this." And they take that step. "Well, what's the difference in this and this?" And the first thing you know, each thing they do, they justify on the basis of something they have already been doing. That is not how you establish authority for anything. Everything we do in the Lord's work must be established on the basis of what the Scriptures teach, not on whether it's consistent with something we've already been doing. If the water cooler argument proves anything, maybe it proves that the water cooler ought to have gone out. But I don't think it is the issue. That was not a serious argument.</p>
<h2 align="left">Love Feasts</h2>
<p align="left">Now, there were at least two serious arguments that were made.</p>
<p align="left">One had to do with the love feasts that the Bible talks about. If you have your Bible, turn to II Peter, chapter 2. You remember that the book of II Peter is written to a great degree to combat false teaching that had arisen, and apparently, these false teachers were just as corrupt as men could have possibly been. And in describing them, Peter says, verse 13 of II Peter 2, they "<em>will receive the wages of unrighteousness, as those who count it pleasure to carouse in the daytime. They are spots and blemishes, carousing in their own deceptions while they feast with you.</em>" While they feast with you. Now turn to the book of Jude. The book of Jude is almost a repeat of II Peter 2. Look at verse 12. In Jude verse 12, the writer says, "<em>These are spots in your love feasts, while they feast with you without fear, serving only themselves.</em>" Now, some looked at that and said, "Now, here are love feasts that people had back in the first century, and that's basically what we have in our fellowship halls, so here is the authority for it -- it is in the love feasts."</p>
<p align="left">In the first place, I don't know that anybody knows what these love feasts were. It's interesting to me that Albert Barnes just says it's the Lord's Supper. And he makes his argument as to why this just has reference to the Lord's Supper. I don't know that that's correct. Others have said that they were dinners that wealthier people in the church gave for the sake of the poorer people in order to show their love for those who were poorer in this world's goods. That may be correct. I don't know what these love feasts were. The one thing I know is, there is nothing in II Peter 2 or Jude that suggests that they were activities planned by the church. And I seriously question that they were the same thing that's taking place in the typical fellowship halls and kitchens of our day. But that is one of the arguments that was made. One thing is certain: We do not have enough information concerning love feasts for them to serve as authority for kitchens and dining rooms in our buildings.</p>
<h2 align="left">Fellowship</h2>
<p align="left">Probably the argument that most of us who are sitting here are wondering about is simply: "What about fellowship?" Doesn't the Bible teach that the church is to have fellowship? Indeed!</p>
<p align="left">The Bible does teach that the church is to have fellowship. But what a lot of people have overlooked is the fact that the word "fellowship" in the Scriptures has to do with spiritual activities. I have before me a photocopy out of a book that I have which contains every Scripture that uses the Greek word for fellowship, koinonia. An interesting thing about this is: not one time does it have reference to social fellowship. Here really we're getting to the basics: fellowship. What does the word fellowship mean? Sharing, communion, participation in, joining together. The very definition itself suggests that we have to decide what we're "joining in", what we're "sharing".</p>
<p align="left">One interesting thing is the word "fellowship" in the Scriptures -- that is, the Greek word -- is used for a business partnership. Turn to Luke, chapter 5. Let me show you this usage. Do you remember the time that Jesus told Simon to launch out into the deep, and let out the nets for a catch -- "a draught", I believe the King James version says -- and they caught so many fish that their nets began to break? Now look at verse 10 of Luke chapter 5, "<em>and so also were James and John the sons of Zebedee, who were partners with Simon</em>" -- Partners. This is the same word that is translated "fellowship" in other places. Business partnership. They were having fellowship in the business of fishing.</p>
<p align="left">Now, another usage of "fellowship" is for a social fellowship. This is where we smell the doughnuts and coffee. Friday night a bunch of us got together and had some elk stew, and I tell you it was all right. We had a good time together. We socialized together. We shared in the eating of elk stew and a few other things that some of the people brought. Are you aware that the Bible never uses the word "fellowship" in reference to such social activities?</p>
<p align="left">Now, another use of "fellowship" has to do with spiritual things. Every time, every time the word is used in regards to the church's activity, it is always this. And to my knowledge, there is not one Scripture in the Bible that uses the term "fellowship" in regards to eating elk stew, or whatever socializing we do together. Not one Scripture that uses the word "fellowship" like that. Let me show you, for instance, I Corinthians 1:9 (We'll not turn to these). We were "<em>called into the fellowship of His Son.</em>" In Philippians 1:5, Paul commends the Philippians for their "<em>fellowship in the gospel.</em>" Fellowship in the gospel. He says in Philippians 2:1, "<em>if there is any fellowship in the Spirit...</em>"Philippians 3:10, he wants to know the "<em>fellowship of the suffering of Christ.</em>" Notice none of that has anything to do with having a good time together. It has everything to do with our relationship with God and our relationship with one another as Christians.</p>
<p align="left">I John, chapter one. I want to turn to that one with you. Look at I John, chapter 1. Here is the fellowship that the Bible emphasizes. If we could ever learn this, then we're going to realize that this term "fellowship hall" is really a misnomer. It may be for social fellowship, but it's not for the fellowship that the Bible talks about. Now, I John 1, beginning with verse 1. John says, "<em>That which was from the beginning, which we have heard, which we have seen with our eyes, which we have looked upon, and our hands have handled, concerning the Word of life -- the life was manifested, and we have seen, and bear witness, and declare to you that eternal life which was with the Father and was manifested to us -- that which we have seen and heard we declare to you, that you also may have fellowship with us, and truly our fellowship is with the Father and with His Son Jesus Christ.</em>" John says: I am writing these things concerning Jesus Christ that you might have fellowship with us. I want to tell you, there's not a thing in the world you can read in I John that has anything to do with doughnuts and coffee and elk stew. It has everything to do with our sharing together in spiritual things. And then he says our fellowship is with the Father and with His Son Jesus Christ.</p>
<p align="left">What has happened to us, brethren, when every time we hear the word "fellowship" we immediately think in terms of fun and games and eating and drinking together? What has happened to us that we see that, every time we see the word "fellowship", when it's never even used in the Bible that way?</p>
<p align="left">No, you cannot find the authority for a local church, as a part of its program of work, planning and providing materials for social activities in the word "fellowship" in the Bible, because it doesn't use the word "fellowship" for that.</p>
<p align="left">May I make this point? The church at Pepper Road has a fellowship hall. Let me say that again. The church at Pepper Road has a fellowship hall. You're in it. We're in it right now. We are sharing in worship to God, in the study of His Word. We are learning what John wrote to us, that we might have fellowship not only among ourselves, but that we might have fellowship with the apostles. And indeed, our fellowship is with God and with Jesus Christ. We must learn that this is the kind of fellowship that the Bible talks about.</p>
<p align="left">May I make another point? The Pepper Road church has a fellowship meal in this fellowship hall. It's called the Lord's Supper. Turn to I Corinthians, chapter 10. Look at verse 16: "<em>The cup of blessing which we bless, it is not the communion of the blood of Christ? The bread which we break, is it not the communion of the body of Christ?</em>" What is the word communion? Same word. You know, sometimes we just refer to the Lord's Supper as the "communion". I don't know how we got started doing that. That's the same thing as saying "I'm going to go prepare the fellowship for Sunday." That's what the word communion means. And what that passage is saying is when we eat the bread and drink the fruit of the vine, we are having fellowship, communion, with the body and blood of Jesus Christ. Now, let's read further, verse 17: "<em>For we, being many, are one bread and one body; for we all partake of that one bread.</em>" Oh, now, that's not just communion with the body and blood of Christ, but there's communion among all of us within the one body. And let me tell you, that one body is not a local church. That one body is God's people. When we partake of the Lord's Supper, we are having not only communion with the body and blood of Jesus Christ, but we are having fellowship around a fellowship meal, if I may use that term, with all of God's people, all over the world, who can legitimately eat of that bread and drink of that fruit of the vine. There is one bread and there is one body, and we all partake of one bread. You may have five or six pieces of bread. At New Georgia, we may have four pieces of bread. But there is one bread, one bread, and all of us partake of that. What a fellowship!</p>
<p align="left">One of my favorite passages in the Scripture is that passage that talks about us all sitting together in the heavenly places in Christ (Ephesians 2:1-7). It is as though this building were one huge building that is constantly expanding, and we look over here and we see Paul and Peter and Stephen and Barnabas and Lydia and Dorcas, and we see faithful Christians we've known in our lifetimes who've already passed on, and there are the faithful of our present generation, and all of us are sitting together. And the central figure with whom we sit is Jesus Christ. And we have a fellowship meal; it's called the Lord's Supper. And what a fellowship! And then somebody comes along and every time he sees the word "fellowship", he thinks in terms of having a good time. What we have done is just missed the whole principle of Bible fellowship. But somebody says, "Doesn't the Bible talk about people eating together and enjoying one another?" Yes. Before the church was ever established, I remember Jesus went to a feast that Levi gave -- Matthew. A great feast. Publicans and sinners were present. I remember another time when Jesus went to a feast, and apparently, Martha gave the feast. Lazarus sat at the table, John, chapter 12. You might want to look at Acts, chapter 2. Here were Christians eating together. In Acts chapter 2, verse 46, we read concerning the activities of some of those early Christians. We are told, "<em>So continuing daily with one accord in the temple, and breaking bread from house to house, they ate their food with gladness and simplicity of heart.</em>" May I pause to say that the term "breaking bread" may sometimes refer to the Lord's Supper, while sometimes it may refer to eating a common meal. You have to let the context determine. In this case, we're talking about a common meal. But notice they broke bread from house to house, and ate their food with gladness and simplicity of heart, praising God, and having favor with all the people. But nothing here would imply that it was part of the church's program of work to provide for that.</p>
<p align="left">Consider also I Corinthians, chapter 11. The church at Corinth was not observing the Lord's Supper as Jesus had instructed. It seems that there were two problems. First, they had turned the Lord's Supper into a common meal, and, second, in their divided state, some were eating while others had nothing to eat. There was total disregard for the poor among them. In dealing with this problem, Paul writes, "<em>What! Do you not have houses to eat and drink in? Or do you despise the church of God and shame those who have nothing? What shall I say to you? Shall I praise you in this? I do not praise you.</em>" You have houses to eat and drink in, Paul said. "But Paul is correcting abuses of the worship", someone may be thinking. That's right. But he did not say, "You should wait until after the worship for the church to provide for eating and drinking." He said, "You have houses for these activities."</p>
<p align="left">Turn with me to I Timothy 5:16. Let's bring all this, hopefully, to a conclusion. I Timothy 5:16: "<em>If any believing man or woman has widows, let them relieve them, and do not let the church be burdened, that it may relieve those who are really widows.</em>" Now, I'm going to take that and enlarge on it. I've got a widowed mother. Now, whose responsibility is that widowed mother? Well, I'll tell you what, it's not the church's responsibility. It's my responsibility, and my two sisters' and Sewell's to take care of my widowed mother. Charlotte has a widowed mother. Whose responsibility is Charlotte's widowed mother? Not the church's responsibility. It's the responsibility of me and Charlotte, and Charlotte's three sisters. Let me do this so the church won't be burdened.</p>
<p align="left">May I just enlarge on that a little bit? Suppose that I want my children to be educated in math and English. Let me provide for the education of my children. Don't let the church be burdened with that, so the church can do the wonderful work that God has given the church to do.</p>
<p align="left">Suppose I want my children to have recreation. Suppose there are not only my children, suppose there are other young people within the group, and I want them to have good wholesome recreation. Let me provide recreation for my children. Don't let the church be burdened with that, so the church can do those things that God has given His church to do.</p>
<p align="left">Is there a place for social activities? Indeed. I enjoyed that good elk stew we had the other day. I wouldn't want to eat it every day, but that was good! But let me provide for hospitality. Let me provide for social events. And if others want to join me in that, that's fine. But let not the church be charged or burdened with providing for social activities, so the church can do the things God has told His church to do. It's just that simple. And nowhere in the Scriptures is there anything to indicate that the church is to provide materially and plan for social activities. That is the issue. That's where it lies.</p>
<p align="left">Let me close this series of lessons with this. We are either going to take this matter of restoration of New Testament Christianity seriously or we're not. We are either going to take the idea of "speak where the Bible speaks and be silent where it is silent" seriously or we are not. If we are not going to take the concept of restoring New Testament Christianity seriously, then, by all means, let's quit giving it lip service. Let's just forget the whole thing and do anything we want to do, whether we have Bible authority for it or not. But, on the other hand, if we are really serious about restoring New Testament Christianity -- if we are really serious about making the local church according to the pattern given in the New Testament -- then let's rid ourselves of these things that have been introduced into the church for which there is no New Testament authority. Let's go back and become what the Lord intended His church to be. It's one way or the other. We can't have it both ways, talking about restoring New Testament Christianity while accepting all kinds of innovations for which there is no New Testament authority. It just won't work.</p>
<p align="left">You have listened well. I appreciate it. And I hope you've understood where the issue lies. That's been our goal. I hope you have been able to focus on the issue, two weeks ago, last Sunday, and today, to know what really caused all the divisions that took place in the '50s and '60s and created so much trouble among families and among churches -- preachers being fired, churches being divided; it was a sad time.</p>
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<p>I'm not even saying I want to have or like having a fellowship hall, but given <a href="https://www.lavistachurchofchrist.org/cms/kitchens-and-fellowship-halls-what-was-the-issue/">your stance that the Bible does not specifically provide for it</a>, why do you have a website and email for your church? Also, why do you have a Facebook page?  Is not a Facebook page, if used the way Facebook is intended to be used, extremely similar to a 'fellowship hall'?</p>
<p>Thanks for your time.</p>
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<p>Whenever a command is given, it sets limits. The command excludes certain things and includes others. It is much like the Venn diagrams we did in math classes. Some commands overlap, such as both individuals and the church offering up worship to God.</p>
<p>The church is commanded to spread the gospel. "<em>So that the manifold wisdom of God might now be made known through the church to the rulers and the authorities in the heavenly places</em>" (Ephesians 3:10). This spreading of the Gospel can be done in a variety of ways: verbal or written; it is the communication that is being emphasized. Thus, the church supports preaching and teaching of the message in sermons, preaching in other areas of the world, Bible classes, articles, etc. The website is one aspect of this, as is the church's Facebook page. All you will find on either medium are teachings about the Bible and on rare occasions announcements about changes to the assembly times.</p>
<p>Like most congregations, we have a mailbox, a phone, as well as email to communicate with people. These are used to set up Bible studies and hold Bible studies with people I cannot physically be present with. But these are still being used under the command to spread the gospel.</p>
<p>Fellowship halls are used for socializing, especially for people eating together. Having common meals together is something authorized by God for individual Christians (Acts 2:46), but where is the command that it is required of the church to provide a facility for social gatherings? I can see in Acts 6 that the church provided food for widows and I Timothy 5 tells us that it was restricted to only certain widows who had no other family to care for them. None of these cover the typical use of a fellowship hall.</p>
<p>Notice also that your line of reasoning doesn't work. You are trying to find an exception to one rule so as to claim there can be exceptions to all rules.</p>
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		<title>In regards to fellowship halls, it seems you gave two different answers</title>
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<p>I was reading through some of your questions and answers regarding <a href="https://lavistachurchofchrist.org/cms/fellowship-hall/">fellowship halls</a>. I'm a little confused. In <a href="https://www.lavistachurchofchrist.org/cms/should-we-leave-our-current-church-because-of-unbiblical-practices/">one post about the subject</a>, someone asked if they could still worship as long as they didn't attend the meal. The answer was yes and Revelation 3:4 was cited. In <a href="https://www.lavistachurchofchrist.org/cms/if-you-can-have-fellowship-with-people-who-differ-in-one-area-why-cant-you-have-fellowship-with-those-who-have-kitchens-and-fellowship-halls/">a different question</a>, someone asked about using the building for weddings, funerals, and fellowship halls, and you stated a person who disagrees with fellowship halls can't avoid it by just not going.</p>
<p>I understand that if I buy gum at a gas station that also sells alcohol. Most people wouldn't assume that I approve of drinking. But what about the fact that the money I spend will be used by that business to buy more alcohol? That's the thing that's tripping me up.</p>
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<p>In "<a href="https://www.lavistachurchofchrist.org/cms/if-you-can-have-fellowship-with-people-who-differ-in-one-area-why-cant-you-have-fellowship-with-those-who-have-kitchens-and-fellowship-halls/">If you can have fellowship with people who differ in one area, why can't you have fellowship with those who have kitchens and fellowship halls?</a>" the problem addressed is the use of a person's contribution to the local church. Those who use the building for social purposes all too often spend money from the church's treasury for these events. So while a member may want to avoid being a part of these events, their contributions to the church still make them a part of it.</p>
<p>In "<a href="https://www.lavistachurchofchrist.org/cms/should-we-leave-our-current-church-because-of-unbiblical-practices/">Should we leave our current church because of unbiblical practices?</a>" the problem was slightly different because the issue was that there was no congregation in the area practicing the biblical way using the church's funds. There I suggested that they worship with a group, but send their contributions elsewhere. Since their funds would not be supporting what they saw as wrong, they could avoid the events where church funds were being inappropriately spent. It is not an ideal situation, but it allows the individual to worship without violating his conscience.</p>
<p>In "<a href="https://www.lavistachurchofchrist.org/cms/should-the-church-building-be-used-for-weddings-or-funerals/">Should the church building be used for weddings or funerals?</a>" more detail is given about the use of the building for things that the church does not pay to support. Here consideration is given to each individual's conscience.</p>
<p>In regards to buying gum from a store that also happens to sell alcohol, you cannot control how the store owners choose to spend their money. In this case, it is like buying meat from the market that just happened to come from an idol's temple. The source of the meat is out of your control because you are not the butcher. You are buying meat, not its source. "<em>Eat anything that is sold in the meat market without asking questions for conscience' sake</em>" (I Corinthians 10:25). In this case, you are buying gum, not alcohol. In fact, because of that, you are encouraging the owner to invest in more gum because it is being sold. If fewer people bought the alcohol, the stores would not buy it as much.</p>
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<p>This morning after services one of our members explained that when he discusses I Corinthians 11:17-34 with liberal brethren who claim that the church is authorized to have common meals in a kitchen or fellowship hall, he argues the following:</p>
<p>Instead of the Corinthians coming together in one place to observe the "Lord's Supper" they were bringing in meals (e.g. potluck), dividing off into cliques and eating ahead of others, shaming the poor who had nothing. The food that they were bringing had nothing to do with the Lord's Supper, it was simply for feasting, partying, etc.</p>
<p>Is his argument correct?</p>
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<p>It doesn't work since Paul tells them to eat at home. "<em>So then, my brethren, when you come together to eat, wait for one another. If anyone is hungry, let him eat at home, so that you will not come together for judgment. The remaining matters I will arrange when I come</em>" (I Corinthian 11:33-34). If the problem was cliques and shaming the poor, he would have them deal with it while together. Eating at home would not solve those problems.</p>
<p>Since the meal was not to solve hunger, there was no common meal.</p>
<blockquote><p>"<em>Therefore when you meet together, it is not to eat the Lord's Supper, for in your eating each one takes his own supper first; and one is hungry and another is drunk. What! Do you not have houses in which to eat and drink? Or do you despise the church of God and shame those who have nothing? What shall I say to you? Shall I praise you? In this I will not praise you</em>" (I Corinthians 11:20-22).</p></blockquote>
<p>Verse 20 makes it clear that it is the Lord's Supper under discussion; thus, "supper" in verse 21 is still the Lord's Supper. The problem was they were not eating it together (as discussed in I Corinthians 10:16-17). Thus, one is "hungry" (has not partaken) and another is "drunk" (not in the sense of intoxication, but having satisfied his thirst). By mixing both eating and drinking terms, Paul covered both aspects of the Lord's Supper -- the bread and the fruit of the vine.</p>
<p>Paul's point is if someone is too hungry to wait for his brethren, then he should eat at home. The church is gathered to eat the Lord's Supper. To not do it with proper reverence is to despise the church and shame those who were unable to partake because nothing was left. "<em>For this reason many among you are weak and sick, and a number sleep. But if we judged ourselves rightly, we would not be judged. But when we are judged, we are disciplined by the Lord so that we will not be condemned along with the world. So then, my brethren, when you come together to eat, wait for one another</em>" (I Corinthians 11:30-33).</p>
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<p>I wanted to say thank you, at least for the two articles of yours I have read so far. I have been raised in what I would presume would be considered a "moderate" congregation of the church. I have some family members that attend a more "conservative" congregation. For the record, I have a hard time using those phrases as I think common use of them creates division, not unity.</p>
<p>I am currently studying deeply about two of the most common issues that cause problems: church finances and eating. While I find it somewhat embarrassing that the church is divided over eating, I don't find it surprising given it was happening in the first century. I have been searching for articles from both viewpoints for uses of scripture and illustrations and find it very tedious as most authors on both sides use far-reaching analogies to support their viewpoints and Scriptures that I feel might need to be bent pretty hard to fit the point. However, so far, I have found your points on the matters to be concise, plausible, and substantiated with Scriptures that do not need to be stretched to fit. The analogies you use are not hyperbole, creating annoyances for the listener, they are practical and within the lines of the point. While I don't agree with every point I have read, I can honestly say I am seeing some things that need to be seriously evaluated and likely changed in the congregation I attend.</p>
<p>Thank you for posting these articles and sermons. I look forward to reading some more.</p>
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<p>I'm glad you found the articles and sermons useful in your studies. Even better, I'm happy to hear that they gave you points to think about.</p>
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		<title>Is it wrong to indulge in food and drink at worship?</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Jeffrey Hamilton]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 19 Jan 2016 03:18:00 +0000</pubDate>
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<p>Is it wrong for members of the church to indulge in food and drink while worship is happening? We have this problem, and I need an answer with Scripture, please.</p>
<p>Thank you.</p>
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<p>I've noticed that people like to make rules instead of citing the Scriptures. It is that tendency that caused discussions between Jesus and the Pharisees over rules, such as in Matthew 12:1-8. It is the same tendency that causes people to make "zero tolerance" rules that look foolish because people don't think about the "why"s behind the rules.</p>
<p>I know people who because of the medication that they take have to sip water frequently. I know diabetics who need to eat something to keep their blood sugar levels reasonable. Since you aren't stating <em>why</em> these people are eating or drinking during worship, it isn't reasonable to say whether what they are doing is right or wrong.</p>
<p>I would recommend looking at the following to understand why there have been objections to turning the church into a social function.</p>
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<li><a href="https://www.lavistachurchofchrist.org/cms/why-is-eating-in-the-building-an-issue/">Why is eating in the building an issue?</a></li>
<li><a href="https://www.lavistachurchofchrist.org/cms/kitchens-and-fellowship-halls-what-was-the-issue/">Kitchens and Fellowship Halls: What Was the Issue?</a></li>
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